I've been working with react and react native for a while and there's a library that caught my attention: Preact. I learned it (that being a react developer was not difficult), I did some PWA's to practice (Copying medium-sized projects that I've done in the past) and, if you know what Preact is, it goes without saying my impression. It seems incredible to me. My question is: is there a way to work with react native using Preact? Maybe with preact-compat?
Not out of the box, no. See this discussion from GitHub
The short answer is: use a native wrapper that exposes DOM.
The long answer is that there are woefully few options for this. Some time ago, I had begun building a DOM interface to React Native, but I have no experience with React Native whatsoever and I'm likely not the best person to do that implementation.
I do know that folks have used Preact with NativeScript and had some success: NativeScript doesn't expose a Web-compatible DOM, but its UI primitives are still quite easily mapped to DOM primitives:
https://github.com/staydecent/nativescript-preact
https://github.com/NathanaelA/nativescript-dom/blob/master/src/dom.js
It would also be relatively easy to implement a nativescript-preact using the source of nativescript-vue, which implements a simple DOM on top of NativeScript's UI components that Vue then renders to:
https://github.com/nativescript-vue/nativescript-vue/tree/master/platform/nativescript
It's also worth noting that preact-compat is the legacy package, used for Preact 8.x and prior. preact/compat is where you'd get compat going forward.
The team and I are embarking on a React project. We are primarily a Microsoft team who are all experienced with .Net for decades!
We have been really impressed with React and feel like we are going down that route. We have done all the Angular vs Vue vs other options to death.
As we are all C# developers we are planning to use React with TypeScript. Mainly for two reasons
We are used to a strongly typed code bases coming from C#, so we have been more successful with the React with TypeScript.
The code base has the potential to become quite large and we plan on sharing React components and TypeScript interfaces between teams/projects via an internal NPM registry. We think TypeScript will highlight typing issues early especially when refactoring and allow sharing more effectively.
I have talked with another similar sized team who did not start out with TypeScript (or Flow) they ran into refactoring problems when their solution got large and retrofitted in TypeScript.
I would like to start out with TypeScript from day one as a result
However, I am getting some push back from the more Javascript orientated developers. Who say:
TypeScript not required in modern ES6 JavaScript applications
The wider React community does not use TypeScript
Hooks which are new to React compound the points above
Have I wandered into a religious argument rather than a technical one (static typing vs dynamic) or are there points justified?
Happy to admit I am a JavaScript novice compared to my C# experience so I could be totally missing the point.
I thought I would pose the question to the community and find out some educated opinions. Please be kind
TypeScript not required in modern ES6 JavaScript applications
It depends on what the requirements are. You say you anticipate refactoring, I have some experience with refactoring my own javascript and TypeScript projects. I can say that without TypeScript, refactoring takes more effort - you have to look at the implementation code a lot, just to be able to understand what the interface is. This can be alleviated by extensive amount of API documentation and unit tests, but - how many projects out there have those, and how many projects maintain the API doc so that it matches 100% with the actual code? Type annotations are a nice way to express what the expectations in the code are, and have a side benefit to be maintained together with the code.
The wider React community does not use TypeScript
Everyone uses what's best for their needs. In reality, there is no "community", there's just a bunch of people working on different projects. What's suitable for a majority of people might not be the best for you.
Hooks which are new to React compound the points above
The recent version of typings for React does seem to support hooks. The result of google search for "react hooks with typescript" shows that a lot of people are using React hooks with TypeScript. I'm not aware of any specific problems, but if there are any, there's a chance they will be sorted out, eventually.
I am just getting started with react and had a question regarding some of the UI libraries built for react.
Is it possible to include components from different libraries in my react project? For instance can I include a modal from bootstrap-react and a data table from semantic-ui-react? I believe this is possible, but are there any performance issues when doing this? Has anyone had any experience as such?
Any comments would be very helpful.
Thanks
Disclaimer: I have no personal experience of using components from multiple UI libraries in one project.
You can include components from multiple UI libraries as long as the components don't conflict (e.g., use of same CSS selectors with different expectations). There should not be a major performance impact due to using two UI libraries. After all, the UI libraries just manipulate the virtual DOM, like any React component.
Generally speaking, I would recommend against the use of multiple UI libraries in one project. By using one library only, you get consistent look and behavior, and you need to learn to master only one library, which likely makes you more productive.
So we've recently picked up React in our company as the front-end technology to build our huge business web application. By saying recently, I mean we don't have any previous experience with React (we have a huge background of AngularJS), and by saying huge application, I mean it's really huge and very dynamic with lots and lots of different pieces and functionality.
Because we will have a lot of huge components that all play a very important role and have complex logic inside them, and because we want them to be easily pluggable and reusable, we want them to be as isolated as possible from the outside world and other parts of our application, because otherwise because of their size and complex functionality it would be pretty much impossible to develop and maintain them. That's the reason why we have decided NOT to use Redux, at least in the beginning, while we are developing just the separate components themselves, because it compromises component isolation and makes the whole application data flow logic impossible to understand when there are so many complex components. Although I believe our choice could be wrong, because as I've already mentioned, we have no experience with React.
As I've already mentioned, the application is very dynamic. By that I mean that components are actually rendered by data. We use various configuration provider classes that interacts with our API endpoints to get the pieces of our application's configuration, like configurations of navigation, pages, various forms, lists, etc., and then try to render components that are read from that configuration.
The problem is, after a couple of weeks struggling to get the momentum with React and discover the right patterns and common solutions to our problems, we've been talking in our crew, that maybe React is not the right technology for us, as it's a UI library, not event a framework, and it doesn't help us a lot, but just adds its rendering rules that we have to break at times to achieve the dynamics and component independence we want.
Considering the component isolation and data flow management, I personally have heard that there is a language for front-end development Elm that has pretty robust data flow architecture where each component has its own model that is separate from others, but I don't know whether it's worth a try, as it may fall behind our big requirements pretty soon too.
The reason I'm writing this question here is that I hope to get an insight from people that have a solid background on working with huge front-end applications. I'd like to know whether it's possible to develop such an application with React, whether React is suitable for such complexity and dynamics, whether we really need Redux or something else, what path, practices, ideologies should we follow. If you understood my question correctly, it's more the architecture side that we are struggling with, than the technological. Maybe we are just walking the path that leads to more and more struggle and complexity but not towards production.
There is absolutely no question that React/Redux can (and is widely) used to develop the kind of applications that you describe. Nothing in your description makes what you are building so unique that it excludes React as a platform for building it. We are actively working with a large enterprise customer who is building their entire front end - with 100 + SPA (Single page applications) in React. This is a team of over 100 developers over a 2-3 year project.
The way we structured this has been crucial -
First, you want to choose a UI component library. A few examples below :
MaterialUI - https://github.com/callemall/material-ui
React Strap - https://github.com/reactstrap/reactstrap
React Bootstrap -https://github.com/react-bootstrap/react-bootstrap
Khan Academy React Components https://github.com/Khan/react-components
https://github.com/elementalui/elemental
We basically took one of these and built a component library off of them, because our components are very custom styled.
Second, we created a modular architecture, where each module (SPA) is an npm package with a main container component and redux store.
Finally, we have a central server package, where each of the modules is registered. The server package is responsible for authentication, authorization, logging, routing, etc.
The essence of this answer is not to advise on how to structure a large React application, but to let you know that React can be (and is being) used to develop applications similar to what you are describing.
I'm at the similar situation right now. I have a background in large desktop applications (ERP, LOB - WinForms, WPF) - 1000+ modules, very dynamic (more than 70% of the UI was generated by input data/configuration), adding new functionality was just about extending some configuration (without touching source code).
I'm deeply investigating current web technologies and I'm more and more convinced that React is not a good fit for that. React really shines in small/middle size applications where you (and other team members) develop every page/component 'manually' (not dynamically generated) and you want to have one global state. But it doesn't help you with building large scale application out of the box - it is only UI library (so no support for modules, routing, forms, binding, http requests, static typing (typescript), etc.) and to my surprise, there is no support for style shadowing/encapsulation (you have to integrate, for example, CSS Modules, by your own). And at the end, you have to constantly bother with libraries versioning (to make them always work together is truly time and energy consuming).
I have a great experience with Angular 2/4+ and I think, for now, it is the best technology for that kind of the applications (if you know WPF, it is very similar). It is a full framework, which is prepared to the scaling out of the box. You can split your app into independent modules (specifying which components will be visible to the outside world), every component has public api (statically typed, inputs/outputs) and encapsulated css styles (there is no interference between others).
For the global state (logged in user, global configuration, etc.), you can still use library ngrx/store (which implements Redux pattern and comes with extra nice things, like 'effects' and integrates really well into Angular ecosystem).
I tried to do in Angular really crazy stuff (dynamically generating the whole application from backend configuration) and everything worked perfectly, as expected.
You nailed the issue in your question- react is a view library, not an application framework. The real question is whether React+Redux(or other state management system) is appropriate for a large LOB app.
I will share some insights from our team’s experience in this realm. Large LOB apps have been developed using the MVC/MVP/MVVM design patterns for decades. These are tried and true patterns that ship software. Couple that with dependency injection and you have a modularized, testable, maintainable application. AngularJS (2.0+) is founded on these principles and leverages them deeply. For this reason we use AngularJS for all of our enterprise line of business apps.
React on the other hand is a lightweight, spritely view render that is awesome for smaller applications and client facing pieces (for example taking a dynamic survey or a simple dashboard). We often turn to React and VueJS here because the full AngularJS stack is way overkill and too heavy.
Getting started writing more complex apps in React can really be a struggle, I know exactly how it feels!
As you say, React is a UI lib and not an event framework. That's why you typically need a library to handle events, for example Redux. You clearly state that you decided not to use Redux (you even used capital letters for not :) ). I would take a step back if I were you and reconsider that decision. You say the reason for not using Redux is that your cannot keep your components easily pluggable and reusable when using Redux. I would argue that is not true. Redux is totally decoupled from your React components. Redux only handles receiving events, and managing state. From the React components point of view, it just receives data in props and sends events by calling regular functions. It's possible to still unit-tests, reuse, etc.
I would suggest you take another look at Redux with this in consideration. Happy to help if you have more questions!
React , Redux will make things easier because When it comes to
complex applications you can create Well structured data object. then you can manage the Complete UI through React and its
Materials ... There are some reasons Why this is right choice
State Management ,
Tree Structure data handling,
Reduce the code,
You will be knowing where the changes made (Actions, Reducers)
Your Component will only taking care of UI things
The things that you have to do is Structuring your data
Completely understand your feelings when you start with React and Redux. We were in the same situation when we started with React in our company. At first React has different approach than other frameworks. Yes of course it's not framework, it's just library. You have to start thinking in React way and that is: React components just render state (It's like you render scene on your graphic card at first you have to prepare scene then you are able render), all what component can do is dispatch actions, or better call just action creators.
You need some smart way how to store state in that point I will suggest use Redux.
We also use TypeScript with combination React, Redux. you have to write more code than pure JS but static type control is priceless when you work on large project.
Separating components logic is native approach of react ... you have to separate logic write "Dummy components" and then reuse this with connect. Or passing values as props.
We are using Thunk middleware as action creators it's good because connected component will call just method and logic is in action creators. You have access there to whole state of app then you can fetch something and base on result you can dispatch different actions.
What I like on react/ redux is how to implement async calls etc. First design component to map all states
1) like I have no data
2) data loading
3) loading done
4) loading error
For that you need only one semaphore in you state and a few checks in render method. Then one action creator that will load data and base on progress dispatch action that describing progress.
What is also cool that in react/redux app you have single data flow it's good when new dev jump into project.
For UI we are using Material UI, yes this framework has some problems but nothing what you will not able to deal with.
We are using also Router for navigating in app.
In the beginning I will avoid server side rendering because it will much easier for you start just with client side rendering and with initial state.
When we start for us was useful this template where everything works in one project JavaScriptServices
Then off course great Abramov tutorials.
For design components very useful Storybook
We can write why use or not React for long time ... but What I can say ... for us it was good choice, with some pain in begging but now we have good payback.
We started a large scale business application using Reactjs as frontend technology.
We have over 30 people in the team and we have over 15 modules in our product.
My approach is to the project is developing a common react project that handles only the Authentication, authorization and routing of the application and all other components developed as separate npm react libraries.
To develop the libraries I used https://www.npmjs.com/package/create-react-hook
This library generates the template with an example app which can use to test our library.
Following is the structure of the project
--Library 1 ( Developed using create-react-hook )
--Library 2 ( Developed using create-react-hook )
...
--Library n
--Common Container App (Developed using create react app and have used all above libraries using npm install)
The main advantage of this approach is developers can focus only on their npm packages and they can develop and test relevant component(s) separately.
The deployment also becomes very easy because we can just update npm package of tested version and rebuild the container app and do the deployment without affecting any other part of the application.
We are using this for several months and running the project with a large team without any issue. I think this may be helpful to anyone else too.
So this is just to share my experience working on an enterprise react application that is in production for years in several banks. yes, you heard me right. Now you can imagine how huge the application will be if it's related to fintech (I know it's not always the case). we have huge modules (70+) with a complex logic that pretty much handles a lot of the work that a bank needs. Modules are both isolated and re-useable. I am going to give an example of only one module so you can imagine the size of each module.
Card Production Module
Bulk Card Generation
Bulk Card Export
Bulk Card Request
Card Operations
Card Operations Approvals
Card Printing
New Card Requests
Pin Generation
Pin Printing
This application is a product, not a project and as a product it is configurable. Even the UI is configurable. I have been working on this application as a full-stack developer. Since it's pretty old the state management library that we are using is flux. With state management, the development speed is a little slow but the tradeoffs are better with us not being worried about state management. By far the application has been able to handle huge changes and things which seemed unachievable. Stability has also been a key element throughout this period.
On the back-end, we have Restful services build using Dot Net which supports both MSSQL Server or Oracle depending on the client's needs/feasibility.
After countless react.js projects, I summarized a domain oriented and practical architecture in my blog post.
It is the absolute best practice that I applied many times, enjoy:
http://denislutz.com/domain-architecture-for-react
I'm pretty new to development. Right now working on an webapp in my freetime.
Backend will be written in Python (here I have the best experience).
How good is the Idea to mixing React components:
like: https://github.com/brillout/awesome-react-components
My Idea was to use these components or let others create components for me (for example a slide show or whatever)
The question is, is this a good Idea? I'm worry that this might create a lot of overhead. For example one component is based on bootstrap and the other on foundation (As I said I'm not experienced web developer and can't judge if this can actualy really happen).
Thanks!
The idea of React components is to have the smallest piece of code you can define.
However, mixing different CSS frameworks, like Bootstrap or Foundation doesn't sound like the best idea. You can, of course mix ready-made components (like React-Bootstrap) with your own custom components, but ideally you would choose one framework and stick with it.
The good thing about React is that you can possibly switch between Frameworks without the need of refactoring everything.
Let's say, for instance, you have a custom component called Slider. If you later decide to use MaterialUI, depending on your configurations, you could just change the import from import Slider from "./Slider" to import Slider from "material-ui/Slider" and the rest of your code would be untouched.
Pick a CSS / UI framework and stick with it. These days I have been working with Semantic UI and they have good integration with React via http://react.semantic-ui.com/
It is awesome! :)
And in addition to that, you can also build your own custom components.
If you think adding a whole framework to your project is a lot of burden, then you can make everything your own from scratch. (Either (1) using the CSS framework classes for the components or (2) defining your own CSS classes)
And to conclude I also agree to not mix CSS frameworks as there might be conflicts! It's not fun! In my project, Bootstrap was conflicting with Semantic UI, so I just stuck with the latter.