This is more of a question for experienced people who've worked a lot with multilingual websites and e-shops. This is NOT a database structure question or anything like that. This is a question on how to store a multilingual website: NOT how to store translations. A multilingual website can not only be translated into multiple languages, but also can have language-specific content. For instance an english version of the website can have a completely different structure than the same website in russian or any other language. I've thought up of 2 storage schemas for such cases:
// NUMBER ONE
table contents // to store some HYPOTHETICAL content
id // content id
table contents_loc // to translate the content
content, // ID of content to translate
lang, // language to translate to
value, // translated content
online // availability flag, VERY IMPORTANT
ADVANTAGES:
- Content can be stored in multiple languages. This schema is pretty common, except maybe for the "online" flag in the "_loc" tables. About that below.
- Every content can not only be translated into multiple languages, but also you could mark online=false for a single language and disable the content from appearing in that language. Alternatively, that record could be removed from "_loc" table to achieve the same functionality as online=false, but this time it would be permanent and couldn't be easily undone. For instance we could create some sort of a menu, but we don't want one or more items to appear in english - so we use online=false on those "translations".
DISADVANTAGES:
- Quickly gets pretty ugly with more complex table relations.
- More difficult queries.
// NUMBER 2
table contents // to store some HYPOTHETICAL content
id, // content id
online // content availability (not the same as in first example)
lang, // language of the content
value, // translated content
ADVANTAGES:
1. Less painful to implement
2. Shorter queries
DISADVANTAGES:
2. Every multilingual record would now have 3 different IDs. It would be bad for eg. products in an e-shop, since the first version would allow us to store different languages under the same ID and this one would require 3 separate records to represent the same product.
First storage option would seem like a great solution, since you could easily use it instead of the second one as well, but you couldn't easily do it the other way around.
The only problem is ... the first structure seems a bit like an overkill (except in cases like product storage)
So my question to you is:
Is it logical to implement the first storage option? In your experience, would anyone ever need such a solution?
The question we ask ourselves is always:
Is the content the same for multiple languages and do they need a relation?
Translatable models
If the answer is yes you need a translatable model. So a model with multiple versions of the same record. So you need a language flag for each record.
PROS: It gives you a structure in which you can see for example which content has not yet been translated.
Separate records per language
But many times we see a different solution as the better one: Just seperate both languages totally. We mostly see this in CMS solutions. The story is not only translated but also different. For example in country 1 they have a different menu structure, other news items, other products and other pages.
PROS: Total flexibility and no unexpected records from other languages.
Example
We see it like writing a magazine: You can write one, then translate to another language. Yes that's possible but in real world we see more and more that the content is structurally different. People don't like to be surprised so you need lots of steps to make sure content is not visible in wrong languages, pages don't get created in duplicate etc.
Sharing logic
So what we do is most time: Share the views, make the buttons, inputs etc. translatable but keep the content seperated. So that every admin can just work in his area. If we need to confirm that some records are available in all languages we can always trick that by creating a link (nicely relational) between them but it is not the standard we use most of the time.
Really translatable records like products
Because we are flexible in creating models etc. we can just use decide how to work with them based on the requirements. I would not try to look for a general solution which works for all because there is none. You need a solution based on your data.
Assuming that you need a translatable model, as it is described by Luc, I would suggest coming up with some sort of special-character-delimited key-value pair format for the value column of the content table. Example:
#en=English Term#de=German Term
You may use UDFs (User Defined Functions in T-SQL) to set/get the appropriate term based on the specified language.
For selecting :
select id, dbo.GetContentInLang(value, #lang)
from content
For updating:
update content
set value = dbo.SetContentInLang(value, #lang, new_content)
where id = #id
The UDFs:
a. do have a performance hit but this also the case for join that you will have to do between the content and content_loc tables
and
b. are somehow difficult to implement but are reusable practically throughout your database.
You can also do the above on the application/UI layer.
I am trying to create an old-school Text Adventure Game. I'm a bit stuck on creating the World Map and rooms.
Should the room descriptions be part of the source code or should it be separated out? I was thinking of placing all such descriptions and room properties in a MySQL database and then have code to organize the logic of each room; putting each room description in with the actual source code seems a bit untidy.
Is this the preferred method of organising Descriptions in an adventure game? I was also thinking that this might be preferable since I could then query the database to find common properties about the data.
Any comments would be appreciated.
No, don't include level/room description within code, it is not dynamic this way.
Many many development frameworks now tend to go with separating code from data. So, for usual cases, we put game rooms data within files and read those to build the level and maybe enable the user to construct a new level on his own and eventually create a new file to carry the room data.
I work in a company where they build games, and they have the rooms separated from the code, they have it in mysql. Actually also the items that go in each room are in a table, and there is also a table that says which item is at which room at that moment.
Besides if you want to expand your game or do statistics about it is much better doing it with a database.
I will address two issues here. First, you are right to keep the data that defines the game away from the engine that will use it. This makes it so that you dont have to recompile everything in order to fix a typo or the like in the case of a text based game.
Secondly though, I would just question the use of MySQL. If you are making a dos typed game that is to be installed on people's systems you dont want a pre-req to be 'Install MySQL', hehe. There is a little program out there that is written in C that is free for all to use called SQLite that would suit your needs much better. If on the other hand the web is the medium for the release of this text based game, then have at it :)
You could just use a system like ADRIFT, then all you need to worry about are the descriptions and logic.
Should the room descriptions be part of the source code or should it
be separated out?
Separated out.
Try Prolog language.
It has similar database to SQL (actually logical predicates)
With some skill You may be able to check whether after some change is Your adventure finishable.
You may easily create this description by some logical predicates if You don't mind it being very "computer like".
You can see examples of Prolog text adventures in simple Google search.
I suggest using engines that already have a vibrant community around them. That way, your source code is only that; the source code of the game. I'd go with either TADS 3 or Inform 7
I would construct such a game as an interpreter which reads in room data, and based on the room data, allows for a set of valid commands (move, take, drop, change...). For movement you would have a pre-built graph with nodes being rooms and edges being allowed moves.
I would separate the descriptions from the code, having an object Room, that owns an object Description that calls a "database" through some Facade, so that you may use a file or a database or anything you wish. It would also eventually allow you to add some scripting to the room itself, like having objects in your description that have behaviors.
I am trying to do the following:
we are trying to design a fraud detection system for stock market.
I know the Specification for the frauds (they are like templates).
so I want to know if I can design a template, and find all records that match this template.
Notice:
I can't use the traditional queries cause the templates are complex
for example one of my Fraud is circular trading,it's like this :
A bought from B, and B bought from C, And C bought from A (it's a cycle)
and this cycle can include 4 or 5 persons.
is there any good suggestion for this situation.
I don't see why you can't use "traditional queries" as you've stated. SQL can be used to write extraordinarily complex queries. For that matter I'm not sure that this is a hugely challenging question.
Firstly, I'd look at the behavior you have described as vary transactional, therefore I treat the transactions as a model. I'd likely have a transactions table with some columns like buyer, seller, amount, etc...
You could alternatively have the shares as its own table and store say the previous 100 owners of that share in the same table using STI (Single Table Inheritance) buy putting all the primary keys of the owners into an "owners" column in your shares table like 234/823/12334/1234/... that way you can do complex queries and see if that share was owned by the same person or look for patterns in the string really easily and quickly.
-update-
I wouldn't suggest making up a "small language" I don't see why you'd want to do something like that when you have huge selection of wonderful languages and databases to choose from, all of which have well refined and tested methods to solve exactly what you are doing.
My best advice is pop open your IDE (thumbs up for TextMate) and pick your favorite language (Ruby in my case). Find some sample data and create your database and start writing some code! You can't go wrong trying to experiment like this, it'll will totally expose better ways to go about it than we can dream up here on Stackoverflow.
Definitely Data Mining. But as you point out, you've already got the models (your templates). Look up fraud DETECTION rather than prevention for better search results?
I know a some banks use SPSS PASW Modeler for fraud detection. This is very intuitive and you can see what you are doing as you play around with the data. So you can implement your templates. I agree with Joseph, you need to get playing, making some new data structures.
Maybe a timeseries model?
Theoretically you could develop a "Small Language" first, something with a simple syntax (that makes expressing the domain - in your case fraud patterns - easy) and from it generate one or more SQL queries.
As most solutions, this could be thought of as a slider: at one extreme there is the "full Fraud Detection Language" at the other, you could just build stored procedures for the most common cases, and write new stored procedures which use the more "basic" blocks you wrote before to implement the various patterns.
What you are trying to do falls under the Data Mining umbrella, so you could also try to learn more about it: maybe you can find a Data Mining package for your specific DB (you didn't specify) and see if it helps you finding common patterns in your data.
Original Question:
Hello,
I am creating very simple hobby project - browser based multiplayer game. I am stuck at designing tables for storing information about quest / skill requirements.
For now, I designed my tables in following way:
table user (basic information about users)
table stat (variety of stats)
table user_stats (connecting each user with stats)
Another example:
table monsters (basic information about npc enemies)
table monster_stats (connecting monsters with stats, using the same stat table from above)
Those were the simple cases. I must admit, that I am stuck while designing requirements for different things, e.g quests. Sample quest A might have only minimum character level requirement (and that is easy to implement) - but another one, quest B has multitude of other reqs (finished quests, gained skills, possessing specific items, etc) - what is a good way of designing tables for storing this kind of information?
In a similar manner - what is an efficient way of storing information about skill requirements? (specific character class, min level, etc).
I would be grateful for any help or information about creating database driven games.
Edit:
Thank You for the answers, yet I would like to receive more. As I am having some problems designing an rather complicated database layout for craftable items, I am starting a max bounty for this question.
I would like to receive links to articles / code snippets / anything connected with best practices of designing databases for storing game data (an good example of this kind of information is availibe on buildingbrowsergames.com).
I would be grateful for any help.
I'll edit this to add as many other pertinent issues as I can, although I wish the OP would address my comment above. I speak from several years as a professional online game developer and many more years as a hobbyist online game developer, for what it's worth.
Online games imply some sort of persistence, which means that you have broadly two types of data - one is designed by you, the other is created by the players in the course of play. Most likely you are going to store both in your database. Make sure you have different tables for these and cross-reference them properly via the usual database normalisation rules. (eg. If your player crafts a broadsword, you don't create an entire new row with all the properties of a sword. You create a new row in the player_items table with the per-instance properties, and refer to the broadsword row in the item_types table which holds the per-itemtype properties.) If you find a row of data is holding some things that you designed and some things that the player is changing during play, you need to normalise it out into two tables.
This is really the typical class/instance separation issue, and applies to many things in such games: a goblin instance doesn't need to store all the details of what it means to be a goblin (eg. green skin), only things pertinent to that instance (eg. location, current health). Some times there is a subtlety to the act of construction, in that instance data needs to be created based on class data. (Eg. setting a goblin instance's starting health based upon a goblin type's max health.) My advice is to hard-code these into your code that creates the instances and inserts the row for it. This information only changes rarely since there are few such values in practice. (Initial scores of depletable resources like health, stamina, mana... that's about it.)
Try and find a consistent terminology to separate instance data from type data - this will make life easier later when you're patching a live game and trying not to trash the hard work of your players by editing the wrong tables. This also makes caching a lot easier - you can typically cache your class/type data with impunity because it only ever changes when you, the designer, pushes new data up there. You can run it through memcached, or consider loading it all at start up time if your game has a continuous process (ie. is not PHP/ASP/CGI/etc), etc.
Remember that deleting anything from your design-side data is risky once you go live, since player-generated data may refer back to it. Test everything thoroughly locally before deploying to the live server because once it's up there, it's hard to take it down. Consider ways to be able to mark rows of such data as removed in a safe fashion - maybe a boolean 'live' column which, if set to false, means it just won't show up in the typical query. Think about the impact on players if you disable items they earned (and doubly if these are items they paid for).
The actual crafting side can't really be answered without knowing how you want to design your game. The database design must follow the game design. But I'll run through a trivial idea. Maybe you will want to be able to create a basic object and then augment it with runes or crystals or whatever. For that, you just need a one-to-many relationship between item instance and augmentation instance. (Remember, you might have item type and augmentation type tables too.) Each augmentation can specify a property of an item (eg. durability, max damage done in combat, weight) and a modifier (typically as a multiplier, eg. 1.1 to add a 10% bonus). You can see my explanation for how to implement these modifying effects here and here - the same principles apply for temporary skill and spell effects as apply for permanent item modification.
For character stats in a database driven game, I would generally advise to stick with the naïve approach of one column (integer or float) per statistic. Adding columns later is not a difficult operation and since you're going to be reading these values a lot, you might not want to be performing joins on them all the time. However, if you really do need the flexibility, then your method is fine. This strongly resembles the skill level table I suggest below: lots of game data can be modelled in this way - map a class or instance of one thing to a class or instance of other things, often with some additional data to describe the mapping (in this case, the value of the statistic).
Once you have these basic joins set up - and indeed any other complex queries that result from the separation of class/instance data in a way that may not be convenient for your code - consider creating a view or a stored procedure to perform them behind the scenes so that your application code doesn't have to worry about it any more.
Other good database practices apply, of course - use transactions when you need to ensure multiple actions happen atomically (eg. trading), put indices on the fields you search most often, use VACUUM/OPTIMIZE TABLE/whatever during quiet periods to keep performance up, etc.
(Original answer below this point.)
To be honest I wouldn't store the quest requirement information in the relational database, but in some sort of script. Ultimately your idea of a 'requirement' takes on several varying forms which could draw on different sorts of data (eg. level, class, prior quests completed, item possession) and operators (a level might be a minimum or a maximum, some quests may require an item whereas others may require its absence, etc) not to mention a combination of conjunctions and disjunctions (some quests require all requirements to be met, whereas others may only require 1 of several to be met). This sort of thing is much more easily specified in an imperative language. That's not to say you don't have a quest table in the DB, just that you don't try and encode the sometimes arbitrary requirements into the schema. I'd have a requirement_script_id column to reference an external script. I suppose you could put the actual script into the DB as a text field if it suits, too.
Skill requirements are suited to the DB though, and quite trivial given the typical game system of learning skills as you progress through levels in a certain class:
table skill_levels
{
int skill_id FOREIGN KEY;
int class_id FOREIGN KEY;
int min_level;
}
myPotentialSkillList = SELECT * FROM skill_levels INNER JOIN
skill ON skill_levels.skill_id = skill.id
WHERE class_id = my_skill
ORDER BY skill_levels.min_level ASC;
Need a skill tree? Add a column prerequisite_skill_id. And so on.
Update:
Judging by the comments, it looks like a lot of people have a problem with XML. I know it's cool to bash it now and it does have its problems, but in this case I think it works. One of the other reasons that I chose it is that there are a ton of libraries for parsing it, so that can make life easier.
The other key concept is that the information is really non-relational. So yes, you could store the data in any particular example in a bunch of different tables with lots of joins, but that's a pain. But if I kept giving you a slightly different examples I bet you'd have to modify your design ad infinitum. I don't think adding tables and modifying complicated SQL statements is very much fun. So it's a little frustrating that #scheibk's comment has been voted up.
Original Post:
I think the problem you might have with storing quest information in the database is that it isn't really relational (that is, it doesn't really fit easily into a table). That might be why you're having trouble designing tables for the data.
On the other hand, if you put your quest information directly into code, that means you'll have to edit the code and recompile each time you want to add a quest. Lame.
So if I was you I might consider storing my quest information in an XML file or something similar. I know that's the generic solution for just about anything, but in this case it sounds right to me. XML is really made for storing non-relation and/or hierarchical data, just like the stuff you need to store for your quest.
Summary: You could come up with your own schema, create your XML file, and then load it at run time somehow (or even store the XML in the database).
Example XML:
<quests>
<quest name="Return Ring to Mordor">
<characterReqs>
<level>60</level>
<finishedQuests>
<quest name="Get Double Cheeseburger" />
<quest name="Go to Vegas for the Weekend" />
</finishedQuests>
<skills>
<skill name="nunchuks" />
<skill name="plundering" />
</skills>
<items>
<item name="genie's lamp" />
<item name="noise cancelling headphones for robin williams' voice />
</items>
</characterReqs>
<steps>
<step number="1">Get to Mordor</step>
<step number="2">Throw Ring into Lava</step>
<step number="3">...</step>
<step number="4">Profit</step>
</steps>
</quest>
</quests>
It sounds like you're ready for general object oriented design (OOD) principles. I'm going to purposefully ignore the context (gaming, MMO, etc) because that really doesn't matter to how you do a design process. And me giving you links is less useful than explaining what terms will be most helpful to look up yourself, IMO; I'll put those in bold.
In OOD, the database schema comes directly from your system design, not the other way around. Your design will tell you what your base object classes are and which properties can live in the same table (the ones in 1:1 relationship with the object) versus which to make mapping tables for (anything with 1:n or n:m relationships - for exmaple, one user has multiple stats, so it's 1:n). In fact, if you do the OOD correctly, you will have zero decisions to make regarding the final DB layout.
The "correct" way to do any OO mapping is learned as a multi-step process called "Database Normalization". The basics of which is just as I described: find the "arity" of the object relationships (1:1, 1:n,...) and make mapping tables for the 1:n's and n:m's. For 1:n's you end up with two tables, the "base" table and a "base_subobjects" table (eg. your "users" and "user_stats" is a good example) with the "foreign key" (the Id of the base object) as a column in the subobject mapping table. For n:m's, you end up with three tables: "base", "subobjects", and "base_subobjects_map" where the map has one column for the base Id and one for the subobject Id. This might be necessary in your example for N quests that can each have M requirements (so the requirement conditions can be shared among quests).
That's 85% of what you need to know. The rest is how to handle inheritance, which I advise you to just skip unless you're masochistic. Now just go figure out how you want it to work before you start coding stuff up and the rest is cake.
The thread in #Shea Daniel's answer is on the right track: the specification for a quest is non-relational, and also includes logic as well as data.
Using XML or Lua are examples, but the more general idea is to develop your own Domain-Specific Language to encode quests. Here are a few articles about this concept, related to game design:
The Whimsy Of Domain-Specific Languages
Using a Domain Specific Language for Behaviors
Using Domain-Specific Modeling towards Computer Games Development Industrialization
You can store the block of code for a given quest into a TEXT field in your database, but you won't have much flexibility to use SQL to query specific parts of it. For instance, given the skills a character currently has, which quests are open to him? This won't be easy to query in SQL, if the quest prerequisites are encoded in your DSL in a TEXT field.
You can try to encode individual prerequisites in a relational manner, but it quickly gets out of hand. Relational and object-oriented just don't go well together. You can try to model it this way:
Chars <--- CharAttributes --> AllAttributes <-- QuestPrereqs --> Quests
And then do a LEFT JOIN looking for any quests for which no prereqs are missing in the character's attributes. Here's pseudo-code:
SELECT quest_id
FROM QuestPrereqs
JOIN AllAttributes
LEFT JOIN CharAttributes
GROUP BY quest_id
HAVING COUNT(AllAttributes) = COUNT(CharAttributes);
But the problem with this is that now you have to model every aspect of your character that could be a prerequisite (stats, skills, level, possessions, quests completed) as some kind of abstract "Attribute" that fits into this structure.
This solves this problem of tracking quest prerequisites, but it leaves you with another problem: the character is modeled in a non-relational way, essentially an Entity-Attribute-Value architecture which breaks a bunch of relational rules and makes other types of queries incredibly difficult.
Not directly related to the design of your database, but a similar question was asked a few weeks back about class diagram examples for an RPG
I'm sure you can find something useful in there :)
Regarding your basic structure, you may (depending on the nature of your game) want to consider driving toward convergence of representation between player character and non-player characters, so that code that would naturally operate the same on either doesn't have to worry about the distinction. This would suggest, instead of having user and monster tables, having a character table that represents everything PCs and NPCs have in common, and then a user table for information unique to PCs and/or user accounts. The user table would have a character_id foreign key, and you could tell a player character row by the fact that a user row exists corresponding to it.
For representing quests in a model like yours, the way I would do it would look like:
quest_model
===============
id
name ['Quest for the Holy Grail', 'You Killed My Father', etc.]
etc.
quest_model_req_type
===============
id
name ['Minimum Level', 'Skill', 'Equipment', etc.]
etc.
quest_model_req
===============
id
quest_id
quest_model_req_type_id
value [10 (for Minimum Level), 'Horseback Riding' (for Skill), etc.]
quest
===============
id
quest_model_id
user_id
status
etc.
So a quest_model is the core definition of the quest structure; each quest_model can have 0..n associated quest_model_req rows, which are requirements specific to that quest model. Every quest_model_req is associated with a quest_model_req_type, which defines the general type of requirement: achieving a Minimum Level, having a Skill, possessing a piece of Equipment, and so on. The quest_model_req also has a value, which configures the requirement for this specific quest; for example, a Minimum Level type requirement might have a value of 20, meaning you must be at least level 20.
The quest table, then, is individual instances of quests that players are undertaking or have undertaken. The quest is associated with a quest_model and a user (or perhaps character, if you ever want NPCs to be able to do quests!), and has a status indicating where the progress of the quest stands, and whatever other tracking turns out useful.
This is a bare-bones structure that would, of course, have to be built out to accomodate the needs of particular games, but it should illustrate the direction I'd recommend.
Oh, and since someone else threw around their credentials, mine are that I've been a hobbyist game developer on live, public-facing projects for 16 years now.
I'd be extremely careful of what you actually store in a DB, especially for an MMORPG. Keep in mind, these things are designed to be MASSIVE with thousands of users, and game code has to execute excessively quickly and send a crap-ton of data over the network, not only to the players on their home connections but also between servers on the back-end. You're also going to have to scale out eventually and databases and scaling out are not two things that I feel mix particularly well, particularly when you start sharding into different regions and then adding instance servers to your shards and so on. You end up with a whole lot of servers talking to databases and passing a lot of data, some of which isn't even relevant to the game at all (SQL text going to a SQL server is useless network traffic that you should cut down on).
Here's a suggestion: Limit your SQL database to storing only things that will change as players play the game. Monsters and monster stats will not change. Items and item stats will not change. Quest goals will not change. Don't store these things in a SQL database, instead store them in the code somewhere.
Doing this means that every server that ever lives will always know all of this information without ever having to query a database. Now, you don't store quests at all, you just store accomplishments of the player and the game programatically determines the affects of those quests being completed. You don't waste data transferring information between servers because you're only sending event ID's or something of that nature (you can optimize the data you pass by only using just enough bits to represent all the event ID's and this will cut down on network traffic. May seem insignificant but nothing is insignificant in massive network apps).
Do the same thing for monster stats and item stats. These things don't change during gameplay so there's no need to keep them in a DB at all and therefore this information NEVER needs to travel over the network. The only thing you store is the ID of the items or monster kills or anything like that which is non-deterministic (i.e. it can change during gameplay in a way which you can't predict). You can have dedicated item servers or monster stat servers or something like that and you can add those to your shards if you end up having huge numbers of these things that occupy too much memory, then just pass the data that's necessary for a particular quest or area to the instance server that is handling that thing to cut down further on space, but keep in mind that this will up the amount of data you need to pass down the network to spool up a new instance server so it's a trade-off. As long as you're aware of the consequences of this trade-off, you can use good judgement and decide what you want to do. Another possibility is to limit instance servers to a particular quest/region/event/whatever and only equip it with enough information to the thing it's responsible for, but this is more complex and potentially limits your scaling out since resource allocation will become static instead of dynamic (if you have 50 servers of each quest and suddenly everyone goes on the same quest, you'll have 49 idle servers and one really swamped server). Again, it's a trade-off so be sure you understand it and make good choices for your application.
Once you've identified exactly what information in your game is non-deterministic, then you can design a database around that information. That becomes a bit easier: players have stats, players have items, players have skills, players have accomplishments, etc, all fairly easy to map out. You don't need descriptions for things like skills, accomplishments, items, etc, or even their effects or names or anything since the server can determine all that stuff for you from the ID's of those things at runtime without needing a database query.
Now, a lot of this probably sounds like overkill to you. After all, a good database can do queries very rapidly. However, your bandwidth is extremely precious, even in the data center, so you need to limit your use of it to only what is absolutely necessary to send and only send that data when it's absolutely necessary that it be sent.
Now, for representing quests in code, I would consider the specification pattern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specification_pattern). This will allow you to easily build up quest goals in terms of what events are needed to ensure that the specification for completing that quest is met. You can then use LUA (or something) to define your quests as you build the game so that you don't have to make massive code changes and rebuild the whole damn thing to make it so that you have to kill 11 monsters instead of 10 to get the Sword of 1000 truths in a particular quest. How to actually do something like that I think is beyond the scope of this answer and starts to hit the edge of my knowledge of game programming so maybe someone else on here can help you out if you choose to go that route.
Also, I know I used a lot of terms in this answer, please ask if there are any that you are unfamiliar with and I can explain them.
Edit: didn't notice your addition about craftable items. I'm going to assume that these are things that a player can create specifically in the game, like custom items. If a player can continually change these items, then you can just combine the attributes of what they're crafted as at runtime but you'll need to store the ID of each attribute in the DB somewhere. If you make a finite number of things you can add on (like gems in Diablo II) then you can eliminate a join by just adding that number of columns to the table. If there are a finite number of items that can be crafted and a finite number of ways that differnet things can be joined together into new items, then when certain items are combined, you needn't store the combined attributes; it just becomes a new item which has been defined at some point by you already. Then, they just have that item instead of its components. If you clarify the behavior your game is to have I can add additional suggestions if that would be useful.
I would approach this from an Object Oriented point of view, rather than a Data Centric point of view. It looks like you might have quite a lot of (poss complex) objects - I would recommend getting them modeled (with their relationships) first, and relying on an ORM for persistence.
When you have a data-centric problem, the database is your friend. What you have done so far seems to be quite right.
On the other hand, the other problems you mention seem to be behaviour-centric. In this case, an object-oriented analisys and solution will work better.
For example:
Create a quest class with specificQuest child classes. Each child should implement a bool HasRequirements(Player player) method.
Another option is some sort of rules engine (Drools, for example if you are using Java).
If i was designing a database for such a situation, i might do something like this:
Quest
[quest properties like name and description]
reqItemsID
reqSkillsID
reqPlayerTypesID
RequiredItems
ID
item
RequiredSkills
ID
skill
RequiredPlayerTypes
ID
type
In this, the ID's map to the respective tables then you retrieve all entries under that ID to get the list of required items, skills, what have you. If you allow dynamic creation of items then you should have a mapping to another table that contains all possible items.
Another thing to keep in mind is normalization. There's a long article here but i've condensed the first three levels into the following more or less:
first normal form means that there are no database entries where a specific field has more than one item in it
second normal form means that if you have a composite primary key all other fields are fully dependent on the entire key not just parts of it in each table
third normal is where you have no non-key fields that are dependent on other non-key fields in any table
[Disclaimer: i have very little experience with SQL databases, and am new to this field. I just hope i'm of help.]
I've done something sort of similar and my general solution was to use a lot of meta data. I'm using the term loosely to mean that any time I needed new data to make a given decision(allow a quest, allow using an item etc.) I would create a new attribute. This was basically just a table with an arbitrary number of values and descriptions. Then each character would have a list of these types of attributes.
Ex: List of Kills, Level, Regions visited, etc.
The two things this does to your dev process are:
1) Every time there's an event in the game you need to have a big old switch block that checks all these attribute types to see if something needs updating
2) Everytime you need some data, check all your attribute tables BEFORE you add a new one.
I found this to be a good rapid development strategy for a game that grows organically(not completely planned out on paper ahead of time) - but it's one big limitation is that your past/current content(levels/events etc) will not be compatible with future attributes - i.e. that map won't give you a region badge because there were no region badges when you coded it. This of course requires you to update past content when new attributes are added to the system.
just some little points for your consideration :
1) Always Try to make your "get quest" requirements simple.. and "Finish quest" requirements complicated..
Part1 can be done by "trying to make your quests in a Hierarchical order":
example :
QuestA : (Kill Raven the demon) (quest req: Lvl1)
QuestA.1 : Save "unkown" in the forest to obtain some info.. (quest req : QuestA)
QuestA.2 : Craft the sword of Crystal ... etc.. (quest req : QuestA.1 == Done)
QuestA.3 : ... etc.. (quest req : QuestA.2 == Done)
QuestA.4 : ... etc.. (quest req : QuestA.3 == Done)
etc...
QuestB (Find the lost tomb) (quest req : ( QuestA.statues == Done) )
QuestC (Go To the demons Hypermarket) ( Quest req: ( QuestA.statues == Done && player.level== 10)
etc....
Doing this would save you lots of data fields/table joints.
ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS:
if you use the above system, u can add an extra Reward field to ur quest table called "enableQuests" and add the name of the quests that needs to be enabled..
Logically.. you'd have an "enabled" field assigned to each quest..
2) A minor solution for Your crafting problem, create crafting recipes, Items that contains To-be-Crafted-item crafting requirements stored in them..
so when a player tries to craft an item.. he needs to buy a recipe 1st.. then try crafting..
a simple example of such item Desc would be:
ItemName: "Legendary Sword of the dead"
Craftevel req. : 75
Items required:
Item_1 : Blade of the dead
Item_2 : A cursed seal
item_3 : Holy Gemstone of the dead
etc...
and when he presses the "craft" Action, you can parse it and compare against his inventory/craft box...
so Your Crafting DB will have only 1 field (or 2 if u want to add a crafting LvL req. , though it will already be included in the recipe.
ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS:
Such items, can be stored in xml format in the table .. which would make it much easier to parse...
3) A similar XML System can be applied to Your quest system.. to implement quest-ending requirements..
I work for a billing service that uses some complicated mainframe-based billing software for it's core services. We have all kinds of codes we set up that are used for tracking things: payment codes, provider codes, write-off codes, etc... Each type of code has a completely different set of data items that control what the code does and how it behaves.
I am tasked with building a new system for tracking changes made to these codes. We want to know who requested what code, who/when it was reviewed, approved, and implemented, and what the exact setup looked like for that code. The current process only tracks two of the different types of code. This project will add immediate support for a third, with the goal of also making it easy to add additional code types into the same process at a later date. My design conundrum is that each code type has a different set of data that needs to be configured with it, of varying complexity. So I have a few choices available:
I could give each code type it's own table(s) and build them independently. Considering we only have three codes I'm concerned about at the moment, this would be simplest. However, this concept has already failed or I wouldn't be building a new system in the first place. It's also weak in that the code involved in writing generic source code at the presentation level to display request data for any code type (even those not yet implemented) is not trivial.
Build a db schema capable of storing the data points associated with each code type: not only values, but what type they are and how they should be displayed (dropdown list from an enum of some kind). I have a decent db schema for this started, but it just feels wrong: overly complicated to query and maintain, and it ultimately requires a custom query to view full data in nice tabular for for each code type anyway.
Storing the data points for each code request as xml. This greatly simplifies the database design and will hopefully make it easier to build the interface: just set up a schema for each code type. Then have code that validates requests to their schema, transforms a schema into display widgets and maps an actual request item onto the display. What this item lacks is how to handle changes to the schema.
My questions are: how would you do it? Am I missing any big design options? Any other pros/cons to those choices?
My current inclination is to go with the xml option. Given the schema updates are expected but extremely infrequent (probably less than one per code type per 18 months), should I just build it to assume the schema never changes, but so that I can easily add support for a changing schema later? What would that look like in SQL Server 2000 (we're moving to SQL Server 2005, but that won't be ready until after this project is supposed to be completed)?
[Update]:
One reason I'm thinking xml is that some of the data will be complex: nested/conditional data, enumerated drop down lists, etc. But I really don't need to query any of it. So I was thinking it would be easier to define this data in xml schemas.
However, le dorfier's point about introducing a whole new technology hit very close to home. We currently use very little xml anywhere. That's slowly changing, but at the moment this would look a little out of place.
I'm also not entirely sure how to build an input form from a schema, and then merge a record that matches that schema into the form in an elegant way. It will be very common to only store a partially-completed record and so I don't want to build the form from the record itself. That's a topic for a different question, though.
Based on all the comments so far Xml is still the leading candidate. Separate tables may be as good or better, but I have the feeling that my manager would see that as not different or generic enough compared to what we're currently doing.
There is no simple, generic solution to a complex, meticulous problem. You can't have both simple storage and simple app logic at the same time. Either the database structure must be complex, or else your app must be complex as it interprets the data.
I outline five solution to this general problem in "product table, many kind of product, each product have many parameters."
For your situation, I would lean toward Concrete Table Inheritance or Serialized LOB (the XML solution).
The reason that XML might be a good solution is that:
You don't need to use SQL to pick out individual fields; you're always going to display the whole form.
Your XML can annotate fields for data type, user interface control, etc.
But of course you need to add code to parse and validate the XML. You should use an XML schema to help with this. In which case you're just replacing one technology for enforcing data organization (RDBMS) with another (XML schema).
You could also use an RDF solution instead of an RDBMS. In RDF, metadata is queriable and extensible, and you can model entities with "facts" about them. For example:
Payment code XYZ contains attribute TradeCredit (Net-30, Net-60, etc.)
Attribute TradeCredit is of type CalendarInterval
Type CalendarInterval is displayed as a drop-down
.. and so on
Re your comments: Yeah, I am wary of any solution that uses XML. To paraphrase Jamie Zawinski:
Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use XML." Now they have two problems.
Another solution would be to invent a little Domain-Specific Language to describe your forms. Use that to generate the user-interface. Then use the database only to store the values for form data instances.
Why do you say "this concept has already failed or I wouldn't be building a new system in the first place"? Is it because you suspect there must be a scheme for handling them in common?
Else I'd say to continue the existing philosophy, and establish additional tables. At least it would be sharing an existing pattern and maintaining some consistency in that respect.
Do a web search on "generalized specialized relational modeling". You'll find articles on how to set up tables that store the attributes of each kind of code, and the attributes common to all codes.
If you’re interested in object modeling, just search on “generalized specialized object modeling”.