New to backbone/marionette, but I believe that I understand how to use backbone when dealing with CRUD/REST; however, consider something like results from a search query. How should one model this? Of course the results likely relate to some model(s), but they are not meant to be tied to said model(s).
Part of me thinks that I should use a collection using a model that doesn't actually sync with a data store through the server, but instead just exists as a means of a modeling a search result object.
Another solution could be to have a collection with no models and just override parse.
I assume that the former is preferred, but again I have no experience with the framework. If there's an alternative/better solution than those listed above, please advise.
I prefer having one object which is responsible for both request and response parsing. It can parse the response to appropriate models and nothing more. I mean - if some of those parsed models are required somewhere in your page, there is something that keeps reference to this wrapper object and takes models from response it requires via wrapper methods.
Another option is to have Radio (https://github.com/marionettejs/backbone.radio) in this wrapper - you will not have to keep wrapper object in different places but call for data via Radio.
I'm working on a personal project using WPF with Entity Framework and Self Tracking Entities. I have a WCF web service which exposes some methods for the CRUD operations. Today I decided to do some tests and to see what actually travels over this service and even though I expected something like this, I got really disappointed. The problem is that for a simple update (or delete) operation for just one object - lets say Category I send to the server the whole object graph, including all of its parent categories, their items, child categories and their items, etc. I my case it was a 170 KB xml file on a really small database (2 main categories and about 20 total and about 60 items). I can't imagine what will happen if I have a really big database.
I tried to google for some articles concerning traffic optimization with STE, but with no success, so I decided to ask here if somebody has done something similar, knows some good practices, etc.
One of the possible ways I came out with is to get the data I need per object with more service calls:
return context.Categories.ToList();//only the categories
...
return context.Items.ToList();//only the items
Instead of:
return context.Categories.Include("Items").ToList();
This way the categories and the items will be separated and when making changes or deleting some objects the data sent over the wire will be less.
Has any of you faced a similar problem and how did you solve it or did you solve it?
We've encountered similiar challenges. First of all, as you already mentioned, is to keep the entities as small as possible (as dictated by the desired client functionality). And second, when sending entities back over the wire to be persisted: strip all navigation properties (nested objects) when they haven't changed. This sounds very simple but is not at all trivial. What we do is to recursively dig into the entities present in trackable collections of say the "topmost" entity (and their trackable collections, and theirs, and...) and remove them when their ChangeTracking state is "Unchanged". But be carefull with this, because in some cases you still need these entities because they have been removed or added to trackable collections of their parent entity (so then you shouldn't remove them).
This, what we call "StripEntity", is also mentioned (not with any code sample or whatsoever) in Julie Lerman's - Programming Entity Framework.
And although it might not be as efficient as a more purist kind of approach, the use of STE's saves a lot of code for queries against the database. We are not in need for optimal performance in a high traffic situation, so STE's suit our needs and takes away a lot of code to communicate with the database. You have to decide for your situation what the "best" solution is. Good luck!
You can find an Entity Framework project item at http://selftrackingentity.codeplex.com/. With version 0.9.8, I added a method called GetObjectGraphChanges() that returns an optimized entity object graph with only objects that have changes.
Also, there are two helper methods: EstimateObjectGraphSize() and EstimateObjectGraphChangeSize(). The first method returns the estimate size of the whole entity object along with its object graph; and the later returns the estimate size of the optimized entity object graph with only object that have changes. With these two helper methods, you can decide whether it makes sense to call GetObjectGraphChanges() or not.
"Make things as simple as possible, but no simpler."
Can we find the solution/s that fix the Python database world?
Update: A 'lustdb' prototype has been written by Alex Martelli - if you know any somewhat lightweight, high-level database libraries with multiple backends we could wrap in syntax sugar honey, please weigh in!
from someAmazingDB import *
#we imported a smart model class and db object which talk to database adapter/s
class Task (model):
title = ''
done = False #native types not a custom object we have to think about!
db.taskList = []
#or
db.taskList = expandableTypeCollection(Task) #not sure what this syntax would be
db['taskList'].append(Task(title='Beat old sql interfaces',done=False))
db.taskList.append(Task('Illustrate different syntax modes',True)) # ok maybe we should just use kwargs
#at this point it should be autosaved to a default db option
#by default we should be able to reload the console and access the default db:
>> from someAmazingDB import *
>> print 'Done tasks:'
>> for task in db.taskList:
>> if task.done:
>> print task.title
'Illustrate different syntax modes'
I'm a fan of Python, webPy and Cherry Py, and KISS in general.
We're talking automatic Python to SQL type translation or NoSQL.
We don't have to totally be SQL compatible! Just a scalable subset or ignore it!
Re:model changes, it's ok to ask the developer when they try to change it or have a set of sensible defaults.
Here is the challenge: The above code should work with very little modification or thinking required. Why must we put up with compromise when we know better?
It's 2010, we should be able to code scalable, simple databases in our sleep.
If you think this is important, please upvote!
What you request cannot be done in Python 2.whatever, for a very specific reason. You want to write:
class Task(model):
title = ''
isDone = False
In Python 2.anything, whatever model may possibly be, this cannot ever allow you to predict any "ordering" for the two fields, because the semantics of a class statement are:
execute the body, thus preparing a dict
locate the metaclass and run special methods thereof
Whatever the metaclass may be, step 1 has destroyed any predictability of the fields' order.
Therefore, your desired use of positional parameters, in the snippet:
Task('Illustrate different syntax modes', True)
cannot associate the arguments' values with the model's various fields. (Trying to guess by type association -- hoping no two fields ever have the same type -- would be even more horribly unpythonic than your expressed desire to use db.tasklist and db['tasklist'] indifferently and interchangeably).
One of the backwards-incompatible changes in Python 3 was introduced specifically to deal with situations of this ilk. In Python 3, a custom metaclass can define a __prepare__ function which runs before "step 1" in the above simplified list, and this lets it have more control about the class's body. Specifically, quoting PEP 3115...:
__prepare__ returns a dictionary-like object which is used to store
the class member definitions during evaluation of the class body.
In other words, the class body is evaluated as a function block
(just like it is now), except that the local variables dictionary
is replaced by the dictionary returned from __prepare__. This
dictionary object can be a regular dictionary or a custom mapping
type.
...
An example would be a metaclass that
uses information about the
ordering of member declarations to create a C struct. The metaclass
would provide a custom dictionary that simply keeps a record of the
order of insertions.
You don't want to "create a C struct" as in this example, but the order of fields is crucial (to allow the use of positional parameters that you want) and so the custom metaclass (obtained through base model) would have a __prepare__ classmethod returning an ordered dictionary. This removes the specific issue, but, of course, only if you're willing to switch all of your code using this "magic ORM" to Python 3. Would you be?
Once that's settled, the issue is, what database operations do you want to perform, and how. Your example, of course, does not clarify this at all. Is the taskList attribute name special, or should any other attribute assigned to the db object be "autosaved" (by name and, what other characteristic[s]?) and "autoretrieved" upon use? Are there to be ways to remove entities, alter them, locate them (otherwise than by having once been listed in the same attribute of the db object)? How does your sample code know what DB service to use and how to authenticate to it (e.g. by userid and password) if it requires authentication?
The specific tasks you list would not be hard to implement (e.g. on top of Google App Engine's storage service, which does not require authentication nor specification of "what DB service to use"). model's metaclass would introspect the class's fields and generate a GAE Model for the class, the db object would use __setattr__ to set an atexit trigger for storing the final value of an attribute (as an entity in a different kind of Model of course), and __getattr__ to fetch that attribute's info back from storage. Of course without some extra database functionality this all would be pretty useless;-).
Edit: so I did a little prototype (Python 2.6, and based on sqlite) and put it up on http://www.aleax.it/lustdb.zip -- it's a 3K zipfile including 225-lines lustdb.py (too long to post here) and two small test files roughly equivalent to the OP's originals: test0.py is...:
from lustdb import *
class Task(Model):
title = ''
done = False
db.taskList = []
db.taskList.append(Task(title='Beat old sql interfaces', done=False))
db.taskList.append(Task(title='Illustrate different syntax modes', done=True))
and test1.p1 is...:
from lustdb import *
print 'Done tasks:'
for task in db.taskList:
if task.done:
print task
Running test0.py (on a machine with a writable /tmp directory -- i.e., any Unix-y OS, or, on Windows, one on which a mkdir \tmp has been run at any previous time;-) has no output; after that, running test1.py outputs:
Done tasks:
Task(done=True, title=u'Illustrate different syntax modes')
Note that these are vastly less "crazily magical" than the OP's examples, in many ways, such as...:
1. no (expletive delete) redundancy whereby `db.taskList` is a synonym of `db['taskList']`, only the sensible former syntax (attribute-access) is supported
2. no mysterious (and totally crazy) way whereby a `done` attribute magically becomes `isDone` instead midway through the code
3. no mysterious (and utterly batty) way whereby a `print task` arbitrarily (or magically?) picks and prints just one of the attributes of the task
4. no weird gyrations and incantations to allow positional-attributes in lieu of named ones (this one the OP agreed to)
The prototype of course (as prototypes will;-) leaves a lot to be desired in many respects (clarity, documentation, unit tests, optimization, error checking and diagnosis, portability among different back-ends, and especially DB features beyond those implied in the question). The missing DB features are legion (for example, the OP's original examples give no way to identify a "primary key" for a model, or any other kinds of uniqueness constraints, so duplicates can abound; and it only gets worse from there;-). Nevertheless, for 225 lines (190 net of empty lines, comments and docstrings;-), it's not too bad in my biased opinion.
The proper way to continue playing with this project would of course be to initiate a new lustdb open source project on the hosting part of code.google.com (or any other good open source hosting site with issue tracker, wiki, code reviews support, online browsing, DVCS support, etc, etc) - I'd do it myself but I'm close to the limit in terms of number of open source projects I can initiate on code.google.com and don't want to "burn" the last one or two in this way;-).
BTW, the lustdb name for the module is a play of word with the OP's initials (first two letters each of first and last names), in the tradition of awk and friends -- I think it sounds nicely (and most other obvious names such as simpledb and dumbdb are taken;-).
I think you should try ZODB. It is object oriented database designed for storing python objects. Its API is quite close to example you have provided in your question, just take a look at tutorial.
What about using Elixir?
Forget ORM! I like vanilla SQL. The python wrappers like psycopg2 for postgreSQL do automatic type conversion, offer pretty good protection against SQL injection, and are nice and simple.
sql = "SELECT * FROM table WHERE id=%s"
data = (5,)
cursor.execute(sql, data)
The more I think on't the more the Smalltalk model of operation seems more relevant. Indeed the OP may not have reached far enough by using the term "database" to describe a thing which should have no need for naming.
A running Python interpreter has a pile of objects that live in memory. Their inter-relationships can be arbitrarily complex, but namespaces and the "tags" that objects are bound to are very flexible. And as pickle can explicitly serialize arbitrary structures for persistence, it doesn't seem that much of a reach to consider each Python interpreter living in that object space. Why should that object space evaporate with the interpreter's close? Semantically, this could be viewed as an extension of the anydbm tied dictionaries. And since most every thing in Python is dictionary-like, the mechanism is almost already there.
I think this may be the generic model that Alex Martelli was proposing above, it might be nice to say something like:
class Book:
def __init__(self, attributes):
self.attributes = attributes
def __getattr__(....): pass
$ python
>>> import book
>>> my_stuff.library = {'garp':
Book({'author': 'John Irving', 'title': 'The World According to Garp',
'isbn': '0-525-23770-4', 'location': 'kitchen table',
'bookmark': 'page 127'}),
...
}
>>> exit
[sometime next week]
$ python
>>> import my_stuff
>>> print my_stuff.library['garp'].location
'kitchen table'
# or even
>>> for book in my_stuff.library where book.location.contains('kitchen'):
print book.title
I don't know that you'd call the resultant language Python, but it seems like it is not that hard to implement and makes backing store equivalent to active store.
There is a natural tension between the inherent structure imposed - and sometimes desired - by RDBMs and the rather free-form navel-gazing put here, but NoSQLy databases are already approaching the content addressable memory model and probably better approximates how our minds keep track of things. Contrariwise, you wouldn't want to keep all the corporate purchase orders such a storage system, but perhaps you might.
How about you give an example of how "simple" you want your "dealing with database" to be, and I then tell you all the stuff that is needed for that "simplicity" to get working ?
(And of which it will still be YOU that will be required to give the information/config to the database interface engine, somewhere, somehow.)
To name but one example :
If your database management engine is some external machine with which you/your app interfaces over IP or some such, there is no way around the fact that the IP identity of where that database engine is running, will have to be provided by your app's database interface client, somewhere, somehow. Regardless of whether that gets explicitly exposed in the code or not.
I've been busy, here it is, released under LGPL:
http://github.com/lukestanley/lustdb
It uses JSON as it's backend at the moment.
This is not the same codebase Alex Martelli did.
I wanted to make the code more readable and reusable with different
backends and such.
Elsewhere I have been working on object oriented HTML elements
accessable in Python in similar ways, AND a library for making web.py
more minimalist.
I'm thinking of ways of using all 3 elements together with automatic
MVC prototype construction or smart mapping.
While old fashioned text based template web programming will be around
for a while still because of legacy systems and because it doesn't
require any particular library or implementation, I feel soon we'll
have a lot more efficent ways of building robust, prototype friendly
web apps.
Please see the mailing list for those interested.
If you like CherryPy, you might like the complementary ORMs I wrote: GeniuSQL (which follows a Table Data gateway model) and Dejavu (which is a complete Data Mapper).
There's far too much in this question and all its subcomments to address completely, but one thing I wanted to point out was that GeniuSQL and Dejavu have a very robust system for mapping native Python types to the types that your particular backend is using. There are very sane defaults, which can be overridden as needed, and even extended if you make a new backend or use types from a backend that isn't yet supported. See http://www.aminus.net/geniusql/chrome/common/doc/trunk/advanced.html#custom for more discussion on that.
I have a table called Mytable in home/models.py and using django aep
I reference is as Mytable.all().
It shows up in the Data Viewer as home_mytable
Now, for some urls within app.yaml I have a separate handler
that processes these requests. (This is in fact a google wave
robot handler).
Within this handler I want to reference the table home_mytable
I do so by calling db.GqlQuery("SELECT * from home_mytable")
However something strange happens. I receive a KindError
No implementation for kind home_mytable
I receive this sporadically though, sometimes It works just
fine, I suspect that happens right after I call up a url
that references this table from a django handler.
My questions are, how can I
a) ensure that this error doesnt occur and
b) programattically check what the available
'kinds' are so I can try and debug this
App Engine Patch monkeypatches your models to have different kind names. Don't ask me why, but that's what it does. To fix things, you need to override the kind() class method in your models to make sure they always have the 'fixed' kind names, like this:
class MyTable(db.Model):
#classmethod
def kind(cls):
return "home_mytable"
Weird question, but I'm not sure if it's anti-pattern or not.
Say I have a web app that will be rendering 1000 records to an html table.
The typical approach I've seen is to send a query down to the database, translate the records in some way to some abstract state (be it an array, or a object, etc) and place the translated records into a collection that is then iterated over in the view.
As the number of records grows, this approach uses up more and more memory.
Why not send along with the query a callback that performs an operation on each of the translated rows as they are read from the database? This would mean that you don't need to collect the data for further iteration in the view so the memory footprint shrinks, and you're not iterating over the data twice.
There must be something implicitly wrong with this approach, because I rarely see it used anywhere. What's wrong with this approach?
Thanks.
Actually, this is exactly how a well-developed application should behave.
There is nothing wrong with this approach, except that not all database interfaces allow you to do this easily.
If we talk about tabularizing 10 records for a yet another social network, there is no need to mess with callbacks if you can get an array of hashes or whatever with a single call that is already implemented for you.
There must be something implicitly wrong with this approach, because I rarely see it used anywhere.
I use it. Frequently. Even when i wouldn't use too much memory repeatedly copying the data, using a callback just seems cleaner. In languages with closures, it also lets you keep relevant code together while factoring out the messy DB stuff.
This is a "limited by your tools" class of problem: Most programming languages don't allow to say "Do something around this code". This was solved in recent years with the advent of closures. Think of a closure as a way to pass code into another method which is then executed in a context. For example, in GSQL, you can write:
def l = []
sql.execute ("select id from table where time > ?", time) { row ->
l << row[0]
}
This will open a connection to the database, create a statement and a result set and then run the l << it[0] for each row the DB returns. Note that the code runs inside of sql.execute() but it can access local variables (l) and variables defined in sql.execute() (row).
With this kind of code, you can even generate the result of a HTTP request on the fly without keeping much of the page in RAM at any time. In my case, I'd stream a 2MB document to the browser using only a few KB of RAM and the browser would then chew 83s to parse this.
This is roughly what the iterator pattern allows you to do. In many cases this breaks down on the interface between your application and the database. Technologies like LINQ even have solutions that can send back code to the database.
I've found it easier to use an interface resolver than deep callback where its hooked up through several classes. MS has a much fancier version than mine called Unity. This provides a much cleaner way of accessing classes that should not be tightly coupled
http://www.codeplex.com/unity