C is a compiled language that compiles to native CPU instructions, as you know.
But if C compiles differently to each CPU, then why don't basic Windows programs work on a Mac, for example (considering they both have a processor from the Intel 386 family)?
A good example of that is the printf function in C, that would compile differently on
Windows and on a Mac OS X, even if they both sit on the same kind of processor (Intel 386).
I'm not actually sure that it really compiles differently under each OS, but the fact that a simple Windows application that outputs "Hello World!" to the Console Window won't open on a Mac, kind of make it seem like it compiles slightly differently.
I know for sure that GUI compiles differently because it calls system functions to draw on the screen, but why printf compiles differently on each OS? I thought it was CPU dependent, not OS dependent, and from what I know a Windows PC and a Mac both having an Intel 386 CPU means they both have the same instruction set.
So can you guys explain this, please?
The C standard specifies the language and a very API and expected behaviour of a very minimal run-time library to support it.
It specifically does not specify the specifics of object-file format produced by the compiler - necessarily so - as we'd expect object files produced by C compiler to link with other libraries provided by the platform, and for the system linker to link them.
Taking your example of two systems with CPUs running on hardware with the same architecture (Windows and MacOSX) - the way dynamic linking on these platforms works under the hood is quite different, as are the object files produced by the compiler. Even with systems using the same CPU, there may also be ABI differences as well.
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is Program compiled by amd64 compiler executable and possible to run,work properly in x86 cpu??
I wanna know whether it's possible
and also im trying to develop some program in Qt
but I'm wondering at that why there is no qmake.exe that supports MSVC2017 32bit compiler
No. But a program written without reference to specific architecture dependent features (i.e anything written using standard c, c++, etc) can be compiled using different flags for different target architectures.
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.5.3/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-Options.html
If you are interested in why, looking at the spec for x86 or x86-64 will give you a sense of the answer. An architecture specification is alot more than a list of supported machine instruction. They have different memory architecure, different flags, different cpu modes, etc. And in addition to all this, specifications have hardware specific implementations (chips support different features). When you compile a executable binary, all of these differences must be taken into account.
Take for example a program downloaded from some website, the different options to pick from are the usual operating systems (Linux, Mac, Windows) but what about CPU architecture? The program is a binary executable. Does it just assume amd64? Or is the program compiled into all of the supported architectures and packaged together with a script on top that chooses the right one?
I'm only interested in C and would like to know how this is accomplished.
On further investigation, thanks to the lovely information provided by the individuals below, I came across Fat Binaries with support on both Mac and Linux. It doesn't seem as though windows supports it.
The Mac OS X binary format includes a mechanism for providing code for multiple architectures in the same file, and so a single Mac application can support 32 and 64 bit x86; in the recent past PowerPC support was possible too, although those are now obsolete. But for Windows and Linux, you generally need separate binaries for each CPU architecture (as comments have pointed out, it's possible to jury-rig something similar, although it's far from standard practice.) The default, and by far the most common, is amd64, but sometimes you'll still see separate downloads for 32-bit machines. The world used to be more interesting in this respect, but nowadays things are more standardized than ever.
What exactly do we mean when we say that a program is OS-independent? do we mean that it can run on any OS as long as the processor is same?
For example, OpenGL is a library which is OS independent. Functions it contain must be assuming a specific processor. But ain't codes/programs/applications OS-specific?
What I learned is that:
OS is processor-specific.
Applications (programs/codes/routines/functions/libraries) are OS specific.
Source code is plain text.
Compiler (a program) is OS specific, but it can compile source code for a
different processor assuming the same OS.
OpenGL is a library.
Therefore, OpenGL has to be OS/processor-specific. How can it be OS-independent?
What can be OS independent is the source code. Is this correct?
How does it help to know if a source code is OS-independent or not?
What exactly do we mean when we say that a program is OS-independent? do we mean that it can run on any OS as long as the processor is same?
When a program uses only defined behaviour (no undefined, unspecified or implementation defined behaviours), then the program is guarenteed by the lanugage standard (in your case C language standard) to compile (using a standards compliant compiler) and run uniformly on all operating systems.
Basically you've to understand that a language standard like C or a library standard like OpenGL gives a set of minimum assumable guarentees that a programmer can make and build upon. These won't change as long as the compiler is compliant with the standard (in case of a library, the implementation is standards-compilant) and the program is not treading in undefined behaviour land.
openGL has to be OS/processor specific. How can it be OS-independent?
No. OpenGL is platform-independant. An OpenGL implementation (driver which implements the calls) is definitely platform and GPU-specific. Say C standard is implemented by GCC, MSVC++, etc. which are all different compiler implementations which can compile C code.
what can be OS independent is the source code. Is this correct?
Source code (if written for with portability in mind) is just one amongst many such platform-independant entities. Libraries (OpenGL, etc.), frameworks (.NET, etc.), etc. can be platform-independant too. For that matter even hardware can be spec'd by some one and implemented by someone else: ARM processors are standards/specifications charted out by ARM and implemented by OEMs like Qualcomm, TI, etc.
do we mean that it can run on any OS as long as the processor is same?
Both processor and the platform (OS) doesn't matter as long as you use only cross-platform components for building your program. Say you use C, a portable language; SDL, a cross-platform library for creating windows, handling events, framebuffers, etc.; OpenGL, a cross-platform graphics library. Now your program will run on multiple platforms, even then it depends on the weakest link. If SDL doesn't run on some J2ME-only phone then it'll not have a library distribution for that platform and thus you application won't run on that platform; so in a sense nothing is all independant. So it's wise to play around with the various libraries available for different architectures, platforms, compilers, etc. and then pick the required ones based on the platforms you're targetting.
What exactly do we mean when we say that a program is OS-independent?
It means that it has been written in a way, that it can be compiled (if compilation is necessary for the language used) or run without or just little modification on several operating systems and/or processor architectures.
For example, openGL is a library which is OS independent.
OpenGL is not a library. OpenGL is an API specification, i.e. a lengthy volume of text that describes a set of tokens (= named numeric values) and entry points (= callable functions) and the effects they have on the system level.
What I learned is that:
OS is processor-specific.
Wrong!
Just like a program can be written in a way that it can targeted to several operating systems (and processor architectures), operating systems can be written in a way, that they can be compiled for and run on several processor architecture.
Linux for example supports so many architectures, that it's jokingly said, that it runs on everything that is capable of processing zeroes and ones and has a memory management unit.
Applications (programs/codes/routines/functions/libraries) are OS specific.
Wrong!
Program logic is independent from the OS. A calculation like x_square = x * x doesn't depend on the OS at all. Only a very small portion of a program, namely those parts that make use of operating system services actually depend on the OS. Such services are things like opening, reading and writing to files, creating windows, stuff like that. But you normally don't use those OS specific APIs directly.
Most OS low level APIs have certain specifics which a easy to trip over and arcane to address. So you don't use them, but some standard, OS independent library that hides the OS specific stuff.
For example the C language (which is already pretty low level) defines a standard set of functions for file access, the stdio functions. fopen, fread, fwrite, fclose, … Similar does C++ with its iostreams But those just wrap the OS specific APIs.
source code is plain text.
Usually it is, but not necessarily. There are also graphical, data flow programming environments, like LabVIEW, which can create native code as well. The source code those use is not plain text, but a diagram, which is stored in a custom binary format.
Compiler ( a program ) is OS specific, but it can compile a source code for a different processor assuming the same OS.
Wrong! and Wrong!
A compiler is language and target specific. But its perfectly possible to have a compiler on your system that generates executables targeted for a different processor architecture and operating system than the system you're using it on (cross compilation). After all a compiler is "just" a (mathematical) function mapping from source code to target binary.
In fact the compiler itself doesn't target an operating system at all, it only targets a processor architecture. The whole operating system specifics are introduced by the ABI (application binary interface) of the OS, which are addresses by the linked runtime environment and that target linker (yes, the linker must be able to address a specific OS).
openGL is a library.
Wrong!
OpenGL is a API specification.
Therefore, openGL has to be OS/processor specific.
Wrong!
And even if OpenGL was a library: Libraries can be written to be portable as well.
How can it be OS-independent?
Because OpenGL itself is just a lengthy document of text describing the API. Then each operating system with OpenGL support will implement that API conforming to the specification, so that a program written or compiled to run on said OS can use OpenGL as specified.
what can be OS independent is the source code.
Wrong!
It's perfectly possible to write a program source code in a way that it will only compile and run for a specific operating system and/or for a specific processor architecture. Pinnacle of OS / architecture dependence: Writing things in assembler and using OS specific low level APIs directly.
How does it help to know if a source code is OS/window independent or not?
It gives you a ballpark figure of how hard it will be to target the program to a different operating system.
A very important thing to understand:
OS independence does not mean, a programm will run on all operating systems or architectures. It means that it is not tethered to a specific OS/CPU combination and porting to a different OS/CPU requires only little effort.
There's a couple concepts here. A program can be OS-independent, that is it can run/compile without changes on a range of OS's. Secondly libraries can be made on a range of OS's which can be used by a platform independent program.
Strictly OpenGL doesn't have to be OS-independent. OpenGL may actually have different source code on different OS's which interface with drivers in a platform specific way. What matters is that OpenGL's interface is OS-independent. Because the interface is OS-independent it can be used by code which is actually OS-independent and can be run/compiled without modification.
Libraries abstracting out OS-specific things is a wonderful way to allow your code to interface with the OS which normally would require OS-specific code.
One of those:
It compiles on any OS supported by program framework without changes to source code. (languages like C++ that compile directly into machine code)
The program is written in interpreted language or in language that compiles into platform-independent bytecode, and can actually run on whatever platform its interpreter supports without modifications. (languages like java or python).
Application relies on cross-platform framework of some kind that abstract operating-system-specific calls away. It will run without modifications on any OS supported by framework.
Because you haven't added any language tag, it is either #1, #2 or #3, depending on your language.
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OS is processor-specific.
No. See Linux. Same code base, can be compiled for different architectures. Normally, (well, it is reasonable to expect that) OS kernel is written in portable language (like C) that can be rebuild for different CPU. On distribution like gentoo, you can rebuild entire OS from source as well.
Applications (programs/codes/routines/functions/libraries) are OS specific.
No, Applications like java *.jar files can be made more or less OS independent - as long as there is interpreter, they'll run anywhere. There will be some OS-specific part (like java runtime environment in case of java), but your program will run anywhere where this part is present.
Source code is plain text.
Not necessarily, although it is true in most cases.
Compiler (a program) is OS specific, but it can compile source code for a
different processor assuming the same OS.
Not quite. It is reasonable to be written using (somewhat) portable code so compiler can be rebuilt for different OS.
While running on OS A it is possible (in some cases) to compile code for os B. On Linux you can compile code for windows platform.
OpenGL is a library.
It is not. It is a specification (API) that describes set of programming functions for working with 3d graphics. There are Libraries that implement this specifications. Specification itself is not a library.
Therefore, OpenGL has to be OS/processor-specific.
Incorrect conclusion.
How can it be OS-independent?
As long as underlying platform has standard-compliant OpenGL implementation, rendering part of your program will work in the same way as on any other platform with standard-compliant OpenGL implementation. That's portability. Of course, this is an ideal situation, in reality you might run into driver bug or something.
If you compile a program in say, C, on a Linux based platform, then port it to use the MacOS libraries, will it work?
Is the core machine-code that comes from a compiler compatible on both Mac and Linux?
The reason I ask this is because both are "UNIX based" so I would think this is true, but I'm not really sure.
No, Linux and Mac OS X binaries are not cross-compatible.
For one thing, Linux executables use a format called ELF.
Mac OS X executables use Mach-O format.
Thus, even if a lot of the libraries ordinarily compile separately on each system, they would not be portable in binary format.
Furthermore, Linux is not actually UNIX-based. It does share a number of common features and tools with UNIX, but a lot of that has to do with computing standards like POSIX.
All this said, people can and do create pretty cool ways to deal with the problem of cross-compatibility.
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Finally, to address your point on byte-code: when making a binary, compilers usually generate machine code that is specific to the platform you're developing on. (This isn't always the case, but it usually is.)
In general you can easily port a program across various Unix brands. However you need (at least) to recompile it on each platform.
Executables (binaries) are not usable on several platforms, because an executable is tightly coupled with the operating system's ABI (Application Binary Interface), i.e. the conventions of how an application communicates with the operating system.
For instance if your program prints a string onto the console using the POSIX write call, the ABI specifies:
How a system call is done (Linux used to call the 0x80 software interrupt on x86, now it uses the specific sysenter instruction)
The system call number
How are the function's arguments transmitted to the system
Any kind of alignment
...
And this varies a lot across operating systems.
Note however that in some cases there may be “ABI adapters” allowing to run binaries of one OS onto another OS. For instance Wine allows you to run Windows executables on various Unix flavors, NDISwrapper allows you to use Windows network drivers on Linux.
"bytecode" usually refers to code executed by a virtual machine (e.g. for java or python). C is compiled to machine code, which the CPU can execute directly. Machine language is hardware-specific so it it would be the same under any OS running on an intel chip (even under Windows), but the details of how the machine code is wrapped into an executable file, and how it is integrated with system calls and dynamically linked libraries are different from system to system.
So no, you can't take compiled code and use it in a different OS. (However, there are "cross-compilers" that run on one OS but generate code that will run on another OS).
There is no "core byte-code that comes from a compiler". There is only machine code.
While the same machine instructions may be applicable under several operating systems (as long as they're run on the same hardware), there is much more to a hosted executable than that, and since a compiled and linked native executable for Linux has very different runtime and library requirements from one on BSD or Darwin, you won't be able to run one binary on the other system.
By contrast, Windows binaries can sometimes be executed under Linux, because Linux provides both a binary format loader for Windows's PE format, as well as an extensive API implementation (Wine). In principle this idea can be used on other platforms as well, but I'm not aware of anyone having written this for Linux<->Darwin. If you already have the source code, and it compiles in Linux, then you have a good chance of it also compiling under MacOS (modulo UI components, of course).
Well, maybe... but most probably not.
But if it does, it's not "because both are UNIX" it's because:
Mac computers happen to use the same processor nowadays (this was very different in the past)
You happen to use a program that has no dependency on any library at all (very unlikely)
You happen to use the same runtime libraries
You happen to use a loader/binary format that is compatible with both.
I have a small C program that I wish to port from Linux to Windows. I can do this with the MinGW compiler, and I have noticed that it has two different prefixes, amd64 and i586. I am on an i686 computer and I was wondering if I compile my C program using and amd64 architecture, will it run on my i686 machine? And vice-versa?
UPDATE:
Is there a compiler that compile C code to run on ANY architecture?
If you compile your code for i586 (actually what is commonly called x86) it should work fine on AMD64 (x86-64) processors, since x86-64 processors can execute "legacy" 32 bit code, as long as the OS supports this - and mainstream OSes usually do; Windows support for 32 bit applications in particular is really good, since most applications installed on the average Windows system are still 32 bit.
The contrary instead does not hold true, since the x86-64 instruction set is (loosely speaking) an expansion of the x86 architecture, so any non-64 bit x86 processor wouldn't know how to interpret the new machine code (and even if it knew it, it wouldn't have the resources to run it).
As for the edit, you can't generate machine code that runs natively everywhere; the usual solution in such cases is to use pseudo-compiled languages that output an intermediate-level machine code that needs an architecture-specific VM installed to be run (the classic example here is Java and .NET). If instead you use a language compiled to "native code", you have to generate an executable for each target platform.