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I am currently working an atmel micro controller, the EVK1104s, which house the UC32 Data Sheet. We have actually planted this chip on a custom PCB and are inthe process of writting more firmware.
Currently, I need to tell the ADC on the Micro Controller Unit(MCU) to sample at (8k samples / second). In reality this is for sampling a microphone. Either way, the documentation is quite unclear and I was looking for some clarification.
I know that to change the sampling rate i need to change what is called the Mode Register, the register used to configure the ADC for use (pg 799 in the link above). This is the register which allows me to change the sample/hold time/ start up time, and the ADCclock.
EX(from pg 799):
Sample & Hold Time = (SHTIM+3) / ADCClock
ADCClock = CLK_ADC / ( (PRESCAL+1) * 2 )
From what I gather, i will only need to change the PRESCAL to make the ADCClock operate at 8Khz. The problem is that PRESCAL is limited to 8 bits of resolution.
For example, if the controller is set at 12Mhz/x = 8Khz then x would need to be 1500. Because x is limited to 8 bits as i said before this would appear to be impossible, because the max is 255.
I feel that I am doing something wrong here, or not understanding what the datasheet wants me to. Can anyone confirm what I have just talked about or help direct me?
You are confused about the sampling rate and the ADC rate.
The registers you refer to in the manual only control the taking of one sample. The registers allow you to control how long to sample the voltage for. This may make a difference to you depending on the circuitry involved. That is, you don't want to take the sample too fast for your circuit. (I didn't look closely at the datasheet, but some microcontrollers take several samples and average them. This behaviour is controlled by registers, too.)
But the 8 kHz sampling rate refers to how often you want to sample. That is, this is the frequency you want to trigger the individual samples. The registers you mention don't address this. You need to use a clock and an interrupt handler to move the data out of the register into storage somewhere or do something with it, and then trigger the next sample. There is also an interrupt handler that can deal with the sample as soon as it is ready. In that scheme, you use to handlers: one to trigger the samples; another to deal with the samples when they are ready.
Edit:
To explain more why you don't want such a slow ADC rate, consider how the ADC generates its data. It samples for the first bit, waits a cycle, samples for the second bit, and so on for 10 cycles. The accuracy of the result depends on the signal staying stable over all these samples. If the signal is changing, then the bits of this number are meaningless. You need to set the prescalar and ADC clock fast enough so the signal does not change, but slow enough for the signal to settle.
So yes, you want to use a clock and interrupt handler to read the data then trigger the next reading. The ADC runs independently of the processor, and will be ready by the time the interrupt runs again. (The first reading will be garbage, but you can set a flag or something to guard against that.)
volatile int running = false
Handler()
if(running) do something with data
running = true
trigger ADC
output compare += 1/8000 s
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For my application (running on an STM32L082) I need accurate (relative) timestamping of a few types of interrupts. I do this by running a timer at 1 MHz and taking its count as soon as the ISR is run. They are all given the highest priority so they pre-empt less important interrupts. The problem I'm facing is that they may still be delayed by other interrupts at the same priority and by code that disables interrupts, and there seems to be no easy way to know this happened. It is no problem that the ISR was delayed, as long as I know that the particular timestamp is not accurate because of this.
My current approach is to let each ISR and each block of code with interrupts disabled check whether interrupts are pending using NVIC->ISPR[0] and flagging this for the pending ISR. Each ISR checks this flag and, if needed, flags the timestamp taken as not accurate.
Although this works, it feels like it's the wrong way around. So my question is: is there another way to know whether an IRQ was served immediately?
The IRQs in question are EXTI4-15 for a GPIO pin change and RTC for the wakeup timer. Unfortunately I'm not in the position to change the PCB layout and use TIM input capture on the input pin, nor to change the MCU used.
update
The fundamental limit to accuracy in the current setup is determined by the nature of the internal RTC calibration, which periodically adds/removes 32kHz ticks, leading to ~31 µs jitter. My goal is to eliminate (or at least detect) additional timestamping inaccuracies where possible. Having interrupts blocked incidentally for, say, 50+ µs is hard to avoid and influences measurements, hence the need to at least know when this occurs.
update 2
To clarify, I think this is a software question, asking if a particular feature exists and if so, how to use it. The answer I am looking for is one of: "yes it is possible, just check bit X of register Y", or "no it is not possible, but MCU ... does have such a feature, called ..." or "no, such a feature is generally not available on any platform (but the common workaround is ...)". This information will guide me (and future readers) towards a solution in software, and/or requirements for better hardware design.
In general
The ideal solution for accurate timestamping is to use timer capture hardware (built-in to the microcontroller, or an external implementation). Aside from that, using a CPU with enough priority levels to make your ISR always the highest priority could work, or you might be able to hack something together by making the DMA engine sample the GPIO pins (specifics below).
Some microcontrollers have connections between built-in peripherals that allow one peripheral to trigger another (like a GPIO pin triggering timer capture even though it isn't a dedicated timer capture input pin). Manufacturers have different names for this type of interconnection, but a general overview can be found on Wikipedia, along with a list of the various names. Exact capabilities vary by manufacturer.
I've never come across a feature in a microcontroller for indicating if an ISR was delayed by a higher priority ISR. I don't think it would be a commonly-used feature, because your ISR can be interrupted by a higher priority ISR at any moment, even after you check the hypothetical was_delayed flag. A higher priority ISR can often check if a lower priority interrupt is pending though.
For your specific situation
A possible approach is to use a timer and DMA (similar to audio streaming, double-buffered/circular modes are preferred) to continuously sample your GPIO pins to a buffer, and then you scan the buffer to determine when the pins changed. Note that this means the CPU must scan the buffer before it is overwritten again by DMA, which means the CPU can only sleep in short intervals and must keep the timer and DMA clocks running. ST's AN4666 is a relevant document, and has example code here (account required to download example code). They're using a different microcontroller, but they claim the approach can be adapted to others in their lineup.
Otherwise, with your current setup, I don't think there is a better solution than the one you're using (the flag that's set when you detect a delay). The ARM Cortex-M0+ NVIC does not have a feature to indicate if an ISR was delayed.
A refinement to your current approach might be making the ISRs as short as possible, so they only do the timestamp collection and then put any other work into a queue for processing by the main application at a lower priority (only applicable if the work is more complex than the enqueue operation, and if the work isn't time-sensitive). Eliminating or making the interrupts-disabled regions short should also help.
Overview:
I spent a while trying to think of how to formulate this question. To narrow the scope, I wanted to provide my initial HW requirements in the form of a ‘real life’ example application.
I understand that clock speed is probably relative, in the sense that it is a case by case basis. For example, your requirement for a certain speed may be impacted on by the on-chip peripherals offered by the MCU. As an example, you may spend (n) cycles servicing an ISR for an encoder, or, you could pick an MCU that has a QEI input to do it for you (to some degree), which in turn, may loosen your requirement?
I am not an expert, and am very much still learning, so please call me out if I use an incorrect term, or completely misinterpret something. I assure you; the feedback is welcome!
Example Application:
This application is relatively simple. It can be thought of as a non-blocking state machine, where each ‘iteration’ of the machine must complete within 20ms. A single iteration of this machine has 4 main tasks:
Decode a serial payload, consisting of 32 bytes. The length is fixed at 32 bytes, payload is dynamic, baud is 115200bps (See Task #2 below)
Read 4 incremental shaft encoder signals, which are coupled with 4 DC Motors, 1 encoder for each motor (See Task #1 Below)
Determine the position of 4 limit switches. ISR driven, trigger on rising edge for each switch.
Based on the 3 categories of inputs above, the MCU will output 4 separate PWM signals # 50Hz (20ms) to a motor controller for its next set of movements. (See Task #3 below)
From an IO perspective, I know that the MCU is on the hook for reading 8 digital signals (4 quadrature encoders, 4 limit switches), and decoding a serial frame of 32 bytes over UART.
Based on that data, the MCU will output 4 independent PWM signals, with a pulse width of [1000usec -3200usec], per motor, to the motor controller.
The Question:
After all is said and done, I am trying to think through how I can map my requirements into MCU selection, solely from a speed point of view.
It’s easy for me to look through the datasheet and say, this chip meets my requirements because it has (n) UARTS, (n) ISR input pins, (n) PWM outputs etc. But my projects are so small that I always assume the processor is ‘fast enough’. Aside from my immediate peripheral needs, I never really look into the actual MCU speed, which is an issue on my end.
To resolve that, I am trying to understand what goes into selecting a particular clock speed, based on the needs of a given application. Or, another way to say it, which is probably wrong, but how to you quantify the theoretical load on the processor for that specific application?
Additional Information
Task #1: Encoder:
Each of the 4 motors have different tasks within the system, but regardless, they are the same brand/model motor, and have a maximum RPM of 230. My assumption is, if at its worst case, one of the motors is spinning at 230 RPM, that would mean, at full quadrature resolution (count rising/falling for channel A/B) the 1000PPR encoder would generate 4K interrupts per revolution. As such, the MCU would have to service those interrupts, potentially creating a bottleneck for the system. For example, if (n) number of clock cycles are required to service the ISR, and for 1 revolution of 1 motor, we expect 4K interrupts, that would be … 230(RPM) * 4K (ISR per rev) == 920,000 interrupts per minute? Yikes! And then I guess you could just extrapolate and say, again, at it’s worst case, where each of the 4 motors are spinning at 230 RPM, there’s a potential that, if the encoders are full resolution, the system would have to endure 920K interrupts per minute for each encoder. So 920K * 4 motors == 3,680,000 interrupts per minute? I am 100% sure I am doing something wrong, so please, feel free to set me straight.
Task #2: Serial Decoding
The MCU will require a dedicated HW serial port to decode a packet of 32 bytes, which repeats, with different values, every 7ms. Baud rate will be set to 115200bps.
Task #3: PWM Output
Based on the information from tasks 1 and 2, the MCU will write to 4 separate PWM outputs. The pulse for each output will be between 1000-3200usec with a frequency of 50Hz.
You need to separate real-time critical parts from the rest of the application. For example, the actual reception of an UART frame is somewhat time-critical if you do so interrupt-based. But the protocol decoding is not critical at all unless you are expected to respond within a certain time.
Decode a serial payload, consisting of 32 bytes.
You can either do this the old school way with interrupts filling up a buffer, or you could look for a part with DMA, which is fairly common nowadays. DMA means that you won't have to consider some annoying, relatively low frequency UART interrupt disrupting other tasks.
Read 4 incremental shaft encoder signals
I haven't worked with such encoders so I can't tell how time-critical they are. If you have to catch every single interrupt and your calculations are correct, then 3,680,000 interrupts per minute is still not that bad. 60*60/3680000 = 978us. So roughly one interrupt every millisecond, that's not a "hard real-time" requirement. If that's the only time-critical thing you need to do, then any shabby 8-bitter running at 8MHz could keep up.
Determine the position of 4 limit switches
You don't mention timing here but I assume this is something that could be polled cyclically by a low priority cyclic timer.
the MCU will output 4 separate PWM signals
Not a problem, just pick one with a decent PWM hardware peripheral. You should just need to update some PWM duty cycle registers now and then.
Overall, this doesn't sound all that real-time critical. I've done much worse real-time projects with icky 8 and 16 bitters. However, each time I did, I always regret not picking a faster MCU, because you always come up with stuff to add as the project/product goes on.
It sounds like your average mainstream Cortex M0+ would be a good candidate for this project. Clock it at ~48MHz and you'll have plenty of CPU power. Cortex M4 or larger if you actually expect floating point math (I don't quite see why you'd need that though).
Given the current component crisis, be careful with which brand you pick though! In particular stay clear of STM32, since ST can't produce them right now and you might end up waiting over a year until you get parts.
The answer to the question is "experience". But intuitively your example is not particularly taxing - although there are plenty of ways you could mess it up. I once worked on a project that ran on a 200MHz C5502 DSP at near 100% CPU load. The application now runs on a 72MHz Cortex-M3 at only 60% with additional functionality and I/O not present in the original implementation..
Your application is I/O bound; depending on data rates (and critically interrupt rates), I/O seldom constitutes the highest CPU load, and DMA, hardware FIFOs, input capture timer/counters, and hardware PWM etc. can be used to minimise the I/O impact. I shan't go into it in detail; #Lundin has already done that.
Note also that raw processor speed is important for data or signal processing and number crunching - but what I/O generally requires is deterministic real-time response, and that is seldom simply a matter of MHz or MIPS - you will get more deterministic and possibly faster response from an 8bit AVR running at a few MHz than you can guarantee from a 500MHz application processor running Linux - and it won't take 30 seconds to boot!
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I am programming a Texas Instruments TMS320F28335 Digital Signal Controller (DSC) and I am writing the communication with a resolver model AD2S1205 (datasheet: https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/AD2S1205.pdf). I have to implement the “Supply sequencing and reset” procedure and the procedure for reading and sending the speed and position values through the SPI serial interface back to the DSC. I'm new to firmware and there are several things I don't know how to do:
In the resolver datasheet (page 16) you are asked to wait for the supply voltage Vdd to reach its operating range before moving the reset signal. How can I know when this happened?
To ask the resolver to read and transmit the position and speed information, I must observe the time diagram (page 15), e.g. before putting /RD = 0 I have to wait for /RDVEL to remain stable for t4 = 5 ns. What should I insert in the code before the instruction that lowers RD to make sure that 5 ns have passed? I can pass 0,005 to the DELAY_US(A) function available on the DSC (which delays for A microseconds) but I don’t know if it will actually work and if this is the right way to go to observe device timing diagrams.
In the “/RD input” section (page 14) it is specified that the high-to-low transition of /RD must occur when the clock is high. How can I be sure that the line of code that lowers /RD is running when the clock is high?
Connect chip Vdd to the ADC port via the divider. Reset the chip when Vdd is correct.
Your uC is 150MHz. The clock period is 6.67ns which is larger than 4ns required. Whatever you do you cant change the pin faster. Problem does not exist for you.
Connect CLKIN to the input pin. Poll it. Change /RD when clock high
We have an application which runs on PIC24H, we would like to port it to another MCU, preferably ARM Cortex. Application is extremely time critical, meaning that we need extremely deterministic code behaviour. In short, there are pulses which are obtained via special hardware to GPIO pins, data is analyzed right away. Processing of data is not complex(we don't need a beefy cpu/mcu to do it). After analyzing the data GPIO output pins are written to their values.
App in 3 short lines:
process input pins
determine pattern within processing of input pins
based on the received pattern write output pins
PIC24H is working at 40MHz, we can toggle the pin in 25ns, we would be grateful with at least 2x speed for future upgrades. So MCU which can run deterministic code and toggle pins with at least 80MHz (12.5ns) would be just fine. We don't need toggling of the pins at constant fast rate, we need a mcu which can toggle it in less than 25ns. We can't waste cycles while toggling, if one cycle is off we loose synchronization. Everything must be done in one cycle precision(or two but constant two cycles), so code should be 100% deterministic.
Please let me know if I'm missing something or if what we need can be done using some other methods on Cortex-M. Just keep in mind that if one cycle is lost(due cache or similar) we loose signal sync and app will not do it's work right or at all.
Thanks!
Br
According to this blog post, the interrupt latency for Cortex-M ranges from 12 to 16 cycles (assuming you are not using FPU registers) with best-case memories. M0 and M0+ are slower than M3/M4/M7. On top of this, you need to add the GPIO access times (and watch out for different clock frequencies between the core and the peripherals. Cortex-M7 will suppport higher clock speeds than M3/M4.
It still isn't clear how many cycles are consumed in recognising a pattern, and how an interrupt is useful in doing this - generally a low latency interface function like this would be an obvious target for dedicated hardware, but since you have an existing software solution it seems the problem is mis-specified.
Providing you avoid accessing any 'slow' peripherals which might stall the bus, the interrupt latency should be deterministic - any specific device should have documentation which covers this.
NXP have an application note which describes some of the detail of how to measure what is going on.
I am programming a microcontroller of the PIC24H family and using xc16 compiler.
I am relaying U1RX-data to U2TX within main(), but when I try that in an ISR it does not work.
I am sending commands to the U1RX and the ISR() is down below. At U2RX, there are databytes coming in constantly and I want to relay 500 of them with the U1TX. The results of this is that U1TX is relaying the first 4 databytes from U2RX but then re-sending the 4th byte over and over again.
When I copy the for loop below into my main() it all works properly. In the ISR(), its like that U2RX's corresponding FIFObuffer is not clearing when read so the buffer overflows and stops reading further incoming data to U2RX. I would really appreciate if someone could show me how to approach the problem here. The variables tmp and command are globally declared.
void __attribute__((__interrupt__, auto_psv, shadow)) _U1RXInterrupt(void)
{
command = U1RXREG;
if(command=='d'){
for(i=0;i<500;i++){
while(U2STAbits.URXDA==0);
tmp=U2RXREG;
while(U1STAbits.UTXBF==1); //
U1TXREG=tmp;
}
}
}
Edit: I added the first line in the ISR().
Trying to draw an answer from the various comments.
If the main() has nothing else to do, and there are no other interrupts, you might be able to "get away with" patching all 500 chars from one UART to another under interrupt, once the first interrupt has ocurred, and perhaps it would be a useful exercise to get that working.
But that's not how you should use an interrupt. If you have other tasks in main(), and equal or lower priority interrupts, the relatively huge time that this interrupt will take (500 chars at 9600 baud = half a second) will make the processor what is known as "interrupt-bound", that is, the other processes are frozen out.
As your project gains complexity, you won't want to restrict main() to this task, and there is no need to for it be involved at all, after setting up the UARTs and IRQs. After that it can calculate π ad infinitum if you want.
I am a bit perplexed as to your sequence of operations. A command 'd' is received from U1 which tells you to patch 500 chars from U2 to U1.
I suggest one way to tackle this (and there are many) seeing as you really want to use interrupts, is to wait until the command is received from U1 - in main(). You then configure, and enable, interrupts for RXD on U2.
Then the job of the ISR will be to receive data from U2 and transmit it thru U1. If both UARTS have the same clock and the same baud rate, there should not be a synchronisation problem, since a UART is typically buffered internally: once it begins to transmit, the TXD register is available to hold another character, so any stagnation in the ISR should be minimal.
I can't write the actual code for you, since it would be supposed to work, but here is some very pseudo code, and I don't have a PIC handy (or wish to research its operational details).
ISR
has been invoked because U2 has a char RXD
you *might* need to check RXD status as a required sequence to clear the interrupt
read the RXD register, which also might clear the interrupt status
if not, specifically clear the interrupt status
while (U1 TXD busy);
write char to U1
if (chars received == 500)
disable U2 RXD interrupt
return from interrupt
ISR's must be kept lean and mean and the code made hyper-efficient if there is any hope of keeping up with the buffer on a UART. Experiment with the BAUD rate just to find the point at which your code can keep up, to help discover the right heuristic and see how far away you are from achieving your goal.
Success could depend on how fast your micro controller is, as well, and how many tasks it is running. If the microcontroller has a built in UART theoretically you should be able to manage keeping the FIFO from overflowing. On the other hand, if you paired up a UART with an insufficiently-powered micro controller, you might not be able to optimize your way out of the problem.
Besides the suggestion to offload the lower-priority work to the main thread and keep the ISR fast (that someone made in the comments), you will want to carefully look at the timing of all of the lines of code and try every trick in the book to get them to run faster. One expensive instruction can ruin your whole day, so get real creative in finding ways to save time.
EDIT: Another thing to consider - look at the assembly language your C compiler creates. A good compiler should let you inline assembly language instructions to allow you to hyper-optimize for your particular case. Generally in an ISR it would just be a small number of instructions that you have to find and implement.
EDIT 2: A PIC 24 series should be fast enough if you code it right and select a fast oscillator or crystal and run the chip at a good clock rate. Also consider the divisor the UART might be using to achieve its rate vs. the PIC clock rate. It is conceivable (to me) that an even division that could be accomplished internally via shifting would be better than one where math was required.