Specifically I'm getting a result that I do not understand. It is possible that my understanding is simply wrong, but I don't think so. So I'm hoping that someone will either say "yes, that's a known problem" or "no, it is working correct and here is why your understanding is wrong".
Here is my example.
To start I have the following geometry of lat/longs.
LINESTRING(-1.32007599 51.06707497,-1.31192207 51.09430508,-1.30926132 51.10206677,-1.30376816 51.11133597,-1.29261017 51.12981493,-1.27510071 51.15906713,-1.27057314 51.16440941,-1.26606703 51.16897072,-1.26235485 51.17439257,-1.26089573 51.17875111,-1.26044512 51.1833917,-1.25793457 51.19727033,-1.25669003 51.20141159,-1.25347137 51.20630532,-1.24845028 51.21110444,-1.23325825 51.22457158,-1.2274003 51.22821321,-1.22038364 51.23103494,-1.20326042 51.23596583,-1.1776185 51.24346193,-1.16356373 51.24968088,-1.13167763 51.26363353,-1.12247229 51.2659966,-1.11629248 51.26682901,-1.10906124 51.26728549,-1.09052181 51.26823871,-1.08522177 51.26885628,-1.07013702 51.27070895,-1.03683472 51.27350122,-1.00917578 51.27572955,-0.98243952 51.2779175,-0.9509182 51.28095094,-0.9267354 51.28305811,-0.90499878 51.28511151,-0.86051702 51.2883055,-0.83661318 51.29023789,-0.7534647 51.29708113,-0.74908733 51.29795323,-0.7400322 51.2988924,-0.71535587 51.30125366,-0.68475723 51.29863749,-0.65746307 51.30220618,-0.63246489 51.30380261,-0.60542822 51.30645873,-0.58150291 51.3103219,-0.57603121 51.31150225,-0.57062387 51.31317883,-0.54195642 51.32475227,-0.4855442 51.34771616,-0.4553318 51.36283147)
This is in a column called "geom" in my table, called "fibre_lines". When I run the following query,
select st_length(geography(geom), false) as full_length,
st_length(geography(st_line_substring(geom, 0, 1)), false) as full_length_2,
st_length(geography(st_line_substring(geom, 0, 0.5)), false) as first_half,
st_length(geography(st_line_substring(geom, 0.5, 1)), false) as second_half
from fibre_lines
where id = 10;
I get the following result...
76399.4939375278 76399.4939375278 41008.9667229201 35390.5272197668
The first two make sense to me, they are simply the length of my line assuming a spherical earth. The first is just using the obvious function while the second is using st_line_substring to get the length of the entire line. These two values agree.
But the last two have me puzzled. I am asking for the length of the first half of the line, then I'm asking for the length of the last half. My expectation was that these would be equal or nearly equal. Instead the first half is about 6km longer than the second half.
If you plot the geometry on the map you will see that the first third of the line is fairly north/south oriented and the remaining two thirds are more east/west. I wouldn't have thought that would make a difference when asking for the length on a spherical earth, but I am happy to be told that I'm wrong (so long as it is also explained why I'm wrong).
For reference the PostGIS I am using is 1.5.8. If this is a bug, upgrading to a newer version is possible, but not trivial, so I would prefer to only do that if it is necessary.
Anyone have ideas?
While Arunas' comments didn't directly answer my question, it did lead me to some research that I think identifies the problem. I'm posting it here in part to get it straight in my own mind and in part in case others are wondering.
It seems the key is the PostGIS distinction between a "geometry" and a "geography". A geometry is a 2D planar geometry that is typically in UTMs and used with a projection of the globe onto a flat surface (which projection is configurable). A geography, on the other hand, is designed to store latitude/longitude information specifically and is used to work either on a sphere or a spheroid. So the essential problem I have is twofold:
Perhaps not obvious from my original post is that I am using a geometry object to store lat/long information rather than UTMs. I cast that to a geography most of the time so that I get the correct answers, but it would be more correct if I actually stored it as a geography object. That would eliminate the need for a number of the casts in my code as well as allow PostGIS to tell me when I am doing something wrong.
While ST_Length will work with either a geometry or a geography, ST_Line_Substring only works with geometries. Hence when I ask it for the halfway point, I am asking it for the halfway point of a flat geometry. This will give me the correct answer for the latitude coordinate, but for the longitude it will have an error term that increases (for most projections) the farther I am from the equator.
I've looked into newer versions of PostGIS and they don't seem to have an ST_Line_Substring or anything similar that will give me the 50% point of a geography, so I will have to do it the "hard" way by using ST_Length to give me all my segment lengths and then adding them up and doing the math needed for my interpolation.
Sorry I can't add comments so will provide it as an answer.
I experienced the same problem and I resolved by transforming my lat-lon geometries to utm geometries into st_line_substring function call. The I as getting sub-geometries with proper length. Of course I had to transform them back to lat-lon afterward.
This is a very difficult problem about how to maneuver a spaceship that can both translate and rotate in 3D, for a space game.
The spaceship has n jets placing in various positions and directions.
Transformation of i-th jet relative to the CM of spaceship is constant = Ti.
Transformation is a tuple of position and orientation (quaternion or matrix 3x3 or, less preferable, Euler angles).
A transformation can also be denoted by a single matrix 4x4.
In other words, all jet are glued to the ship and cannot rotate.
A jet can exert force to the spaceship only in direction of its axis (green).
As a result of glue, the axis rotated along with the spaceship.
All jets can exert force (vector,Fi) at a certain magnitude (scalar,fi) :
i-th jet can exert force (Fi= axis x fi) only within range min_i<= fi <=max_i.
Both min_i and max_i are constant with known value.
To be clear, unit of min_i,fi,max_i is Newton.
Ex. If the range doesn't cover 0, it means that the jet can't be turned off.
The spaceship's mass = m and inertia tensor = I.
The spaceship's current transformation = Tran0, velocity = V0, angularVelocity = W0.
The spaceship physic body follows well-known physic rules :-
Torque=r x F
F=ma
angularAcceleration = I^-1 x Torque
linearAcceleration = m^-1 x F
I is different for each direction, but for the sake of simplicity, it has the same value for every direction (sphere-like). Thus, I can be thought as a scalar instead of matrix 3x3.
Question
How to control all jets (all fi) to land the ship with position=0 and angle=0?
Math-like specification: Find function of fi(time) that take minimum time to reach position=(0,0,0), orient=identity with final angularVelocity and velocity = zero.
More specifically, what are names of technique or related algorithms to solve this problem?
My research (1 dimension)
If the universe is 1D (thus, no rotation), the problem will be easy to solve.
( Thank Gavin Lock, https://stackoverflow.com/a/40359322/3577745 )
First, find the value MIN_BURN=sum{min_i}/m and MAX_BURN=sum{max_i}/m.
Second, think in opposite way, assume that x=0 (position) and v=0 at t=0,
then create two parabolas with x''=MIN_BURN and x''=MAX_BURN.
(The 2nd derivative is assumed to be constant for a period of time, so it is parabola.)
The only remaining work is to join two parabolas together.
The red dash line is where them join.
In the period of time that x''=MAX_BURN, all fi=max_i.
In the period of time that x''=MIN_BURN, all fi=min_i.
It works really well for 1D, but in 3D, the problem is far more harder.
Note:
Just a rough guide pointing me to a correct direction is really appreciated.
I don't need a perfect AI, e.g. it can take a little more time than optimum.
I think about it for more than 1 week, still find no clue.
Other attempts / opinions
I don't think machine learning like neural network is appropriate for this case.
Boundary-constrained-least-square-optimisation may be useful but I don't know how to fit my two hyper-parabola to that form of problem.
This may be solved by using many iterations, but how?
I have searched NASA's website, but not find anything useful.
The feature may exist in "Space Engineer" game.
Commented by Logman: Knowledge in mechanical engineering may help.
Commented by AndyG: It is a motion planning problem with nonholonomic constraints. It could be solved by Rapidly exploring random tree (RRTs), theory around Lyapunov equation, and Linear quadratic regulator.
Commented by John Coleman: This seems more like optimal control than AI.
Edit: "Near-0 assumption" (optional)
In most case, AI (to be designed) run continuously (i.e. called every time-step).
Thus, with the AI's tuning, Tran0 is usually near-identity, V0 and W0 are usually not so different from 0, e.g. |Seta0|<30 degree,|W0|<5 degree per time-step .
I think that AI based on this assumption would work OK in most case. Although not perfect, it can be considered as a correct solution (I started to think that without this assumption, this question might be too hard).
I faintly feel that this assumption may enable some tricks that use some "linear"-approximation.
The 2nd Alternative Question - "Tune 12 Variables" (easier)
The above question might also be viewed as followed :-
I want to tune all six values and six values' (1st-derivative) to be 0, using lowest amount of time-steps.
Here is a table show a possible situation that AI can face:-
The Multiplier table stores inertia^-1 * r and mass^-1 from the original question.
The Multiplier and Range are constant.
Each timestep, the AI will be asked to pick a tuple of values fi that must be in the range [min_i,max_i] for every i+1-th jet.
Ex. From the table, AI can pick (f0=1,f1=0.1,f2=-1).
Then, the caller will use fi to multiply with the Multiplier table to get values''.
Px'' = f0*0.2+f1*0.0+f2*0.7
Py'' = f0*0.3-f1*0.9-f2*0.6
Pz'' = ....................
SetaX''= ....................
SetaY''= ....................
SetaZ''= f0*0.0+f1*0.0+f2*5.0
After that, the caller will update all values' with formula values' += values''.
Px' += Px''
.................
SetaZ' += SetaZ''
Finally, the caller will update all values with formula values += values'.
Px += Px'
.................
SetaZ += SetaZ'
AI will be asked only once for each time-step.
The objective of AI is to return tuples of fi (can be different for different time-step), to make Px,Py,Pz,SetaX,SetaY,SetaZ,Px',Py',Pz',SetaX',SetaY',SetaZ' = 0 (or very near),
by using least amount of time-steps as possible.
I hope providing another view of the problem will make it easier.
It is not the exact same problem, but I feel that a solution that can solve this version can bring me very close to the answer of the original question.
An answer for this alternate question can be very useful.
The 3rd Alternative Question - "Tune 6 Variables" (easiest)
This is a lossy simplified version of the previous alternative.
The only difference is that the world is now 2D, Fi is also 2D (x,y).
Thus I have to tune only Px,Py,SetaZ,Px',Py',SetaZ'=0, by using least amount of time-steps as possible.
An answer to this easiest alternative question can be considered useful.
I'll try to keep this short and sweet.
One approach that is often used to solve these problems in simulation is a Rapidly-Exploring Random Tree. To give at least a little credibility to my post, I'll admit I studied these, and motion planning was my research lab's area of expertise (probabilistic motion planning).
The canonical paper to read on these is Steven LaValle's Rapidly-exploring random trees: A new tool for path planning, and there have been a million papers published since that all improve on it in some way.
First I'll cover the most basic description of an RRT, and then I'll describe how it changes when you have dynamical constraints. I'll leave fiddling with it afterwards up to you:
Terminology
"Spaces"
The state of your spaceship can be described by its 3-dimension position (x, y, z) and its 3-dimensional rotation (alpha, beta, gamma) (I use those greek names because those are the Euler angles).
state space is all possible positions and rotations your spaceship can inhabit. Of course this is infinite.
collision space are all of the "invalid" states. i.e. realistically impossible positions. These are states where your spaceship is in collision with some obstacle (With other bodies this would also include collision with itself, for example planning for a length of chain). Abbreviated as C-Space.
free space is anything that is not collision space.
General Approach (no dynamics constraints)
For a body without dynamical constraints the approach is fairly straightforward:
Sample a state
Find nearest neighbors to that state
Attempt to plan a route between the neighbors and the state
I'll briefly discuss each step
Sampling a state
Sampling a state in the most basic case means choosing at random values for each entry in your state space. If we did this with your space ship, we'd randomly sample for x, y, z, alpha, beta, gamma across all of their possible values (uniform random sampling).
Of course way more of your space is obstacle space than free space typically (because you usually confine your object in question to some "environment" you want to move about inside of). So what is very common to do is to take the bounding cube of your environment and sample positions within it (x, y, z), and now we have a lot higher chance to sample in the free space.
In an RRT, you'll sample randomly most of the time. But with some probability you will actually choose your next sample to be your goal state (play with it, start with 0.05). This is because you need to periodically test to see if a path from start to goal is available.
Finding nearest neighbors to a sampled state
You chose some fixed integer > 0. Let's call that integer k. Your k nearest neighbors are nearby in state space. That means you have some distance metric that can tell you how far away states are from each other. The most basic distance metric is Euclidean distance, which only accounts for physical distance and doesn't care about rotational angles (because in the simplest case you can rotate 360 degrees in a single timestep).
Initially you'll only have your starting position, so it will be the only candidate in the nearest neighbor list.
Planning a route between states
This is called local planning. In a real-world scenario you know where you're going, and along the way you need to dodge other people and moving objects. We won't worry about those things here. In our planning world we assume the universe is static but for us.
What's most common is to assume some linear interpolation between the sampled state and its nearest neighbor. The neighbor (i.e. a node already in the tree) is moved along this linear interpolation bit by bit until it either reaches the sampled configuration, or it travels some maximum distance (recall your distance metric).
What's going on here is that your tree is growing towards the sample. When I say that you step "bit by bit" I mean you define some "delta" (a really small value) and move along the linear interpolation that much each timestep. At each point you check to see if you the new state is in collision with some obstacle. If you hit an obstacle, you keep the last valid configuration as part of the tree (don't forget to store the edge somehow!) So what you'll need for a local planner is:
Collision checking
how to "interpolate" between two states (for your problem you don't need to worry about this because we'll do something different).
A physics simulation for timestepping (Euler integration is quite common, but less stable than something like Runge-Kutta. Fortunately you already have a physics model!
Modification for dynamical constraints
Of course if we assume you can linearly interpolate between states, we'll violate the physics you've defined for your spaceship. So we modify the RRT as follows:
Instead of sampling random states, we sample random controls and apply said controls for a fixed time period (or until collision).
Before, when we sampled random states, what we were really doing was choosing a direction (in state space) to move. Now that we have constraints, we randomly sample our controls, which is effectively the same thing, except we're guaranteed not to violate our constraints.
After you apply your control for a fixed time interval (or until collision), you add a node to the tree, with the control stored on the edge. Your tree will grow very fast to explore the space. This control application replaces linear interpolation between tree states and sampled states.
Sampling the controls
You have n jets that individually have some min and max force they can apply. Sample within that min and max force for each jet.
Which node(s) do I apply my controls to?
Well you can choose at random, or your can bias the selection to choose nodes that are nearest to your goal state (need the distance metric). This biasing will try to grow nodes closer to the goal over time.
Now, with this approach, you're unlikely to exactly reach your goal, so you need to define some definition of "close enough". That is, you will use your distance metric to find nearest neighbors to your goal state, and then test them for "close enough". This "close enough" metric can be different than your distance metric, or not. If you're using Euclidean distance, but it's very important that you goal configuration is also rotated properly, then you may want to modify the "close enough" metric to look at angle differences.
What is "close enough" is entirely up to you. Also something for you to tune, and there are a million papers that try to get you a lot closer in the first place.
Conclusion
This random sampling may sound ridiculous, but your tree will grow to explore your free space very quickly. See some youtube videos on RRT for path planning. We can't guarantee something called "probabilistic completeness" with dynamical constraints, but it's usually "good enough". Sometimes it'll be possible that a solution does not exist, so you'll need to put some logic in there to stop growing the tree after a while (20,000 samples for example)
More Resources:
Start with these, and then start looking into their citations, and then start looking into who is citing them.
Kinodynamic RRT*
RRT-Connect
This is not an answer, but it's too long to place as a comment.
First of all, a real solution will involve both linear programming (for multivariate optimization with constraints that will be used in many of the substeps) as well as techniques used in trajectory optimization and/or control theory. This is a very complex problem and if you can solve it, you could have a job at any company of your choosing. The only thing that could make this problem worse would be friction (drag) effects or external body gravitation effects. A real solution would also ideally use Verlet integration or 4th order Runge Kutta, which offer improvements over the Euler integration you've implemented here.
Secondly, I believe your "2nd Alternative Version" of your question above has omitted the rotational influence on the positional displacement vector you add into the position at each timestep. While the jet axes all remain fixed relative to the frame of reference of the ship, they do not remain fixed relative to the global coordinate system you are using to land the ship (at global coordinate [0, 0, 0]). Therefore the [Px', Py', Pz'] vector (calculated from the ship's frame of reference) must undergo appropriate rotation in all 3 dimensions prior to being applied to the global position coordinates.
Thirdly, there are some implicit assumptions you failed to specify. For example, one dimension should be defined as the "landing depth" dimension and negative coordinate values should be prohibited (unless you accept a fiery crash). I developed a mockup model for this in which I assumed z dimension to be the landing dimension. This problem is very sensitive to initial state and the constraints placed on the jets. All of my attempts using your example initial conditions above failed to land. For example, in my mockup (without the 3d displacement vector rotation noted above), the jet constraints only allow for rotation in one direction on the z-axis. So if aZ becomes negative at any time (which is often the case) the ship is actually forced to complete another full rotation on that axis before it can even try to approach zero degrees again. Also, without the 3d displacement vector rotation, you will find that Px will only go negative using your example initial conditions and constraints, and the ship is forced to either crash or diverge farther and farther onto the negative x-axis as it attempts to maneuver. The only way to solve this is to truly incorporate rotation or allow for sufficient positive and negative jet forces.
However, even when I relaxed your min/max force constraints, I was unable to get my mockup to land successfully, demonstrating how complex planning will probably be required here. Unless it is possible to completely formulate this problem in linear programming space, I believe you will need to incorporate advanced planning or stochastic decision trees that are "smart" enough to continually use rotational methods to reorient the most flexible jets onto the currently most necessary axes.
Lastly, as I noted in the comments section, "On May 14, 2015, the source code for Space Engineers was made freely available on GitHub to the public." If you believe that game already contains this logic, that should be your starting place. However, I suspect you are bound to be disappointed. Most space game landing sequences simply take control of the ship and do not simulate "real" force vectors. Once you take control of a 3-d model, it is very easy to predetermine a 3d spline with rotation that will allow the ship to land softly and with perfect bearing at the predetermined time. Why would any game programmer go through this level of work for a landing sequence? This sort of logic could control ICBM missiles or planetary rover re-entry vehicles and it is simply overkill IMHO for a game (unless the very purpose of the game is to see if you can land a damaged spaceship with arbitrary jets and constraints without crashing).
I can introduce another technique into the mix of (awesome) answers proposed.
It lies more in AI, and provides close-to-optimal solutions. It's called Machine Learning, more specifically Q-Learning. It's surprisingly easy to implement but hard to get right.
The advantage is that the learning can be done offline, so the algorithm can then be super fast when used.
You could do the learning when the ship is built or when something happens to it (thruster destruction, large chunks torn away...).
Optimality
I observed you're looking for near-optimal solutions. Your method with parabolas is good for optimal control. What you did is this:
Observe the state of the system.
For every state (coming in too fast, too slow, heading away, closing in etc.) you devised an action (apply a strategy) that will bring the system into a state closer to the goal.
Repeat
This is pretty much intractable for a human in 3D (too many cases, will drive you nuts) however a machine may learn where to split the parabolas in every dimensions, and devise an optimal strategy by itself.
THe Q-learning works very similarly to us:
Observe the (secretized) state of the system
Select an action based on a strategy
If this action brought the system into a desirable state (closer to the goal), mark the action/initial state as more desirable
Repeat
Discretize your system's state.
For each state, have a map intialized quasi-randomly, which maps every state to an Action (this is the strategy). Also assign a desirability to each state (initially, zero everywhere and 1000000 to the target state (X=0, V=0).
Your state would be your 3 positions, 3 angles, 3translation speed, and three rotation speed.
Your actions can be any combination of thrusters
Training
Train the AI (offline phase):
Generate many diverse situations
Apply the strategy
Evaluate the new state
Let the algo (see links above) reinforce the selected strategies' desirability value.
Live usage in the game
After some time, a global strategy for navigation emerges. You then store it, and during your game loop you simply sample your strategy and apply it to each situation as they come up.
The strategy may still learn during this phase, but probably more slowly (because it happens real-time). (Btw, I dream of a game where the AI would learn from every user's feedback so we could collectively train it ^^)
Try this in a simple 1D problem, it devises a strategy remarkably quickly (a few seconds).
In 2D I believe excellent results could be obtained in an hour.
For 3D... You're looking at overnight computations. There's a few thing to try and accelerate the process:
Try to never 'forget' previous computations, and feed them as an initial 'best guess' strategy. Save it to a file!
You might drop some states (like ship roll maybe?) without losing much navigation optimality but increasing computation speed greatly. Maybe change referentials so the ship is always on the X-axis, this way you'll drop x&y dimensions!
States more frequently encountered will have a reliable and very optimal strategy. Maybe normalize the state to make your ship state always close to a 'standard' state?
Typically rotation speeds intervals may be bounded safely (you don't want a ship tumbling wildely, so the strategy will always be to "un-wind" that speed). Of course rotation angles are additionally bounded.
You can also probably discretize non-linearly the positions because farther away from the objective, precision won't affect the strategy much.
For these kind of problems there are two techniques available: bruteforce search and heuristics. Bruteforce means to recognize the problem as a blackbox with input and output parameters and the aim is to get the right input parameters for winning the game. To program such a bruteforce search, the gamephysics runs in a simulation loop (physics simulation) and via stochastic search (minimax, alpha-beta-prunning) every possibility is tried out. The disadvantage of bruteforce search is the high cpu consumption.
The other techniques utilizes knowledge about the game. Knowledge about motion primitives and about evaluation. This knowledge is programmed with normal computerlanguages like C++ or Java. The disadvantage of this idea is, that it is often difficult to grasp the knowledge.
The best practice for solving spaceship navigation is to combine both ideas into a hybrid system. For programming sourcecode for this concrete problem I estimate that nearly 2000 lines of code are necessary. These kind of problems are normaly done within huge projects with many programmers and takes about 6 months.
I am doing automation for a project and the results I get is in the form of a graph wherein I take the performance results.
Now the performance results which I take is generally at a straight line from the graph.
For example lets say the results from the graph in a List could be like this:
10, 30,90,100, 150,200,250,300,350,400,450,800,1000,1500,2000,2010,2006,2004,2000,1900,1800,1700, 1600,1000,500,400,0.
As you see the performance of the device starts increasing and then at a certain point it remains linear and with failures it starts dropping.
The point I want to take is the linear line.
As you can see in the list of numbers we see that from (2000,2010,2006,2004,2000) there is some kind of a linear line.
I am not asking for any code or Algorithm to solve this....I do not need an answer. If anyone can just give me a hint or a little clue I will try to do the rest.
Do you mean constant or linear?
If you mean linear:
Why not take the differences of adjacent values and search for a sequence that stays close to constant?
If you mean constant:
Why not take the differences of adjacent values and search for a sequence that stays close to 0?
First decide on the absolute or relative tolerance you can handle, that decides what is a straight line.
Then iterate trough the array checking the value of a point with the next point, if they are within tolerance, continue iterating until you get a point that is not and store those points. They represent a straight line.
This solution is very simple, not perfect and takes O(n) time.
I am trying to implement a collaborative diffusion behaviour for the first time and I am stuck with a problem. I understand how to make obstacles not diffusing scents and how to dampen scent for other friendly agents if one of them already pursues it. What I cannot understand is how do I make scents to evenly distribute in the matrix. It seems to me that every way of iterating in the matrix, determines the scent to distribute faster and better in the tiles I check later in the iteration. I mean if I iterate from i to maxRows and j to maxCols and then I apply the diffusion equation in every tile, on the 'north' and 'west' side of the goal I will have only one tile with the correct potential, whereas in the 'east' and 'south' side I will have more of them since their neighbours already have an assigned potential. How can I make the values distribute evenly? A double iteration from both extremities of the matrix and them combining the result seems like a memory-eater, as do a goal-oriented approach, since if I try to start from the goals and work around them I will have to execute the calculations for every goal and every tile with assigned potential, which means that I will have to do it for 4^(turn since starter diffusion)*nrOfGoals more every turn, which seems inefficient in a large matrix with a lot of goals.
My question is how can I evenly distribute the values in the matrix in an efficient way. I'm using the AiChallenge Ants, if that helps in any way!
I thank you in anticipation and I'm sorry for the grammar mistakes I've made in this post.
There may be a better solution, but the easiest way to do it is to use something similar to how a simple implementation of the game of life is done.
You have two buffers. One has the current "generation" of scent (and if you are doing multitasking, can be locked so only readers can look at it)... and another has the next generation of sent being calculated. You only "mix" scents from the current generation.
Once you are done, you swap the two buffers by simply changing the pointers / references.
Another way to think about it would be to have all the tiles calculate their new sent by asking their neighbors and averaging. When asked by their neighbors what their scent level is, they report their pre-calculated values from the previous pass. The new sent is only locked in once everyone has finished calculating.