Our client is going to have a big screen in a reception area where they will have a browser based view of the laboratory floor plan. The idea is to interactively feed in lab temperatures for each room and have the floor plan change when a significant change in temperature occurs.
Silverlight will be the foundation technology for this, but that's where my experience with this ends. I don't know silverlight very well, but I should be ok with it once I get started.
I have the following two routes so far:
1. Just draw out the outlines in Silverlight and overlay it with extra shapes to represent elements like air conditioners, etc.
2. Telerik has a Map control that makes use of ESRI shapefiles, which seemed interesting and they actually have a Hotel sample where you can interact with various rooms, but when I asked them how they generated those shapefiles, they couldn't answer.
Anyone done something similar?
Shapefiles seemed interesting, but when I downloaded MapWindow and Quantum GIS, it seems to be a huge learning curve with very little in the line of online tutorials.
Thanks
Jacques
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How to show webcam rapidly on Adobe AIR application with Stage3D?
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My goal is to create prototype of AR (Augmentation Reality) mobile application. I have chosen Adobe Flash AIR for good 3D graphics support on mobile and AIR apps easy to porting to many mobile platforms (iOS, Android, Blackberry Playbook).
Purpose
I want to show up complex 3D model (so i need to use Stage3D). And underneath a video from Front Camera. As usual AR application.
Here is examples
(source: augmentedplanet.com)
Problem
Stage3D not transparent at all so i can't use StageVideo for the rapid showing of content of Camera, because StageVideo doesn't seen under Stage3D.
So
And only decision i have found - it's to create flat surface with dynamic texture updating.
Here is example of integration of webcamvideo with Starling Framework (Stage3D). But with many ordinary mobile devices we get such a big texture updating (almost as size of screen resolution), that any app will fall down to low fps or even crashes down. What i have done on my Galaxy Note for example. With 320x200 texture size it's has fairly good performance but look ugly at AR app.
So is any brilliant solution for create AR on AIR? Is anybody got same challenge?
This use case is unfortunately not well supported in AIR. Your best bet is really the manual upload. It might help to add votes to feature requests on Adobe forums for transparent Stage3D.
Now for why this feature was low priority: If you are doing AR you are probably already doing CPU work on the video. That means you already read back the camera data for processing either on the CPU or as a Stage3D texture. That's the expensive part, not the uploading a texture back to Stage3D.
In order for this to be useful there would need to be a lot of complicated code paths working together flawlessly. On all supported devices:
Read back low resolution camera for CPU or GPU AR image processing
Show passthrough high resolution camera image
Overlay 3D with blending
This is unfortunately very hard. On many mobile chipsets video/camera, CPU, and 3D are very separate units so it is hard to share data between them without stalling or copying. It can be done very well IF you target specific hardware. I know this does not solve your problem but I hope it explains why this use case does not work well in AIR yet. I think you have those options:
Go with AIR and readback/upload. It will be very slow on some HW, but it will work reliably.
Go native. It will be a huge win in the best case, but you need a lot of custom code and testing for every single target.
Go native on a single very narrow platform. Many very cool AR demos do this. Look at SDKs for AR from GPU vendors. Most of them have one.
Make the best out of a bad situation: Stick with low res and uploads but add some interesting filters on the video. Once you paid for the upload doing Stage3D stuff with you texture is very cheap.
I hope this helps a bit. While developing Stage3D this exact use case came up every now and then. I still think it is really cool! Maybe this post explained why it never made the top of the list yet.
I am searching for a way to implement a water effect for in WPF like the one demonstrated on Lee Whitney's blog. This is for a full screen application so it should rely on shaders in order to utilize the GPU.
So far I have found the following methods & code examples:
WPF: This example does not live up to the requirements of
simulating drops of water, as it renders one single water ripple.
However it performs lightning fast as it uses shaders. I tried to add
several layers of ripples on top of each other but that did not look
right either.
Silverlight: This implementation offers the right features in
terms of simulating drops and their interaction as opposed to
rendering one ripple. However it does not perform well at all. I
suspect the example may not use the GPU at all but calculates every
pixel of the bitmap in software. I may have misunderstood the code
though as I am not strong in silverlight
[C++]: This example is similar to the silverlight example. It
performs a lot faster, but when scaled to a full HD size it gets too
slow. As with silverlight it appears to me that the example is
relying heavily on software calculations.
Windows Surface appear to have a similar effect implement in their
pond application. God knows how they did it.
Any ideas?
Take a look at this amazing lib. http://perspectivefx.codeplex.com/
Not really an answer, but look at this WPF Shaders
I'm learning too, and found this resource, hope this helps you.
I have read a range of articles on advantages/disadvantages of Microsoft Silverlight framework in comparisson to Flash.
Fact that there were two version of Silverlight in the past 18 months worries me, as well as the fact that over 97% of web browsers already have Flash pre-installed.
I'm a .NET developer and I'm very happy with what I can do in the framework. At the moment I feel like I have to put my own preference to a side and decide whether I need to integrage flash with .NET instead of using Silverlight with WPF.
Did anybody try integrating Flash with .NET? What challanges did you come across? How easy was it in comparisson to working in Silverlight?
I have also read about recent talks between Microsoft and Adobe. Whatever way I go It feels very unstable. Can HTML 5 really compete with what's offered by Flash and Silverlight?
Thank you
I have integrated both Flash and Silverlight into my ASP.Net applications. I have to say that working with Silverlight was by far the easier way to go. Communication with the server is easier, initial setup was easier (along with a ASP.Net application or a simple HTML page). Integration into the ASP.Net application was the easiest part (as I'm sure you imagined it would be). If you're a .Net developer, then this is the way to go.
Also, I wouldn't worry about either of these technologies going away anytime soon. HTML5 is not going to take over. It'll take some of the market share, not all.
EDIT
Here are some links to other SO posts on the subject:
Which is the future of web development: HTML5 or Silverlight(or other RIA framework)?
Should I Abandon Adobe Flash for HTML5 and ?
Can HTML5 do most of what Flash does today?
This is basically the way I pick web technologies:
do you need to support every available platform made now, in the past and in the future? HTML4 (yes, 4!)
Do you have to make stuff that is not possible with HTML4, and are ready to sacrifice some user base? HTML5
Can you limit yourself to desktop users (no mobile devices) and need a very interactive application (more so than a "website")? Flash or Silverlight
Do you need to integrate with .NET? Silverlight
Are you familiar with .NET (more so than Flash)? Silverlight
Do you want to reach the absolute maximum number of users? Flash
Do you know Flash/ActionScript (more so than .NET)? Flash
Do you need even more features than what Silverlight provides, and can you limit your deployment to intranets? WPF/XBAP
The whole debate around Silverlight being dead is completely flawed in my opinion: those that thought Silverlight would be completely multiplatform really were not connected with the reality: just by looking at Flash it was clear from the beginning that iOS & co. would never support Silverlight.
HTML5 will probably be the real "universal multiplatform" environment (what is HTML4 now), but with all the nightmares we all know of html. If you are targeting desktops and need more interactivity, better tooling, unit testing & co. then Flash and Silverlight will still be the first choice.
Silverlight's user base is quickly coming close to Flash, so between those two it really comes down to the one you know better and the ease of integration with an existing backend.
The fact that Silverlight got a new major version every 9 months until now is just a sign of how much they are pushing it. Now that it's reached a mature stage you can expect to see larger intervals.
Frankly, AS3 is not hard to learn if you already know OOP. It will take a week or so. If you don't like all the frames stuff in Flash, you can create a single frame app and then manage everything from your custom AS classes.
I'm also a .NET developer, and I had no trouble learning AS3.0. Of course, one week is not enough to become an expert (it takes years to become an expert in any field). But if you simply need to create video or mp3 players, create drag and drop basic games/apps to add to an ASP.NET page, it's worth spending 20 or 30 hours on AS3. There are great video trainings out there . Seven or 8 hours training should take the 20 to 30 hours I mentioned. I went for AS3.0 a few years ago, rather than SL, simply because everybody has Flash plugin installed.
AS3.0 is typed (simple types like Number, String etc), but at least it's typed. There are plenty of functions, classes and methods allowing to implement hit tests, drag/drop, event listening (mouse events, keyboard events etc). Really cool and fun language.
Take care.
HTML5 has SVG and Canvas and video.
It's perfectly possible that at one point someone creative is going to create a very nice animation package that generates SVG files. There already are SVG generators there of course, but obviously they're not good enough because SVG and Flash is, so far, never mentioned in the same sentence.
But is ought to be possible. SVG does structured vector graphics, embedded scripting. The things you see done in Flash has to all be possible in SVG. Flash also has this awful notion of frames, which was a major design flaw from day one.
They should have just let you determine that you want to move an object from point A to B along a path determined by a line or curve or freehand path, and that the times of A and B can be anything and not just confined to a particular frame.
Then at playback, the faster your computer is, the better the frame rate ends up being. Slower computer, slower frame rate. As long as the object moves from A to B.
Then there are the bugs and just overall clumsy handling of Flash.
Flash can be done so much better.
So, I think that someone will at one point soon make an amazing SVG animation package that will just crush Flash.
I'm against Silverlight because it's Microsoft. Microsoft means proprietary. They do whatever they want to do. You've already mentioned different version numbers. This means your customers have to have the right version downloaded. You can count on your customers having to download major upgrades, and before you know it their entire .net install needs updating, before you can show your animations and applications.
Silverlight also doesn't work on Linux. It's supposed to, through Novell's efforts with Mono, etc, but in practice, in the field, it just does not work where you need it to.
I don't know if and how well, in practice, Silverlight works on the Mac, but I don't trust it.
Eventually, I think, that future HTML5/SVG (Canvas maybe?) is the way to go. It'll even do 3D using OpenGL accelerated graphics... (but I don't know if that's portable enough).
In the meantime, Flash is your safe bet, and it's almost guaranteed to run anywhere.
I wonder if anyone has created an animation package that outputs to swf files that's better than the Flash IDE. Shouldn't be too hard, given Flash IDE's clumsiness.
Microsoft recently announced a "change of direction" with Silverlight with more emphasis on mobile rather than desktop.
Flex/Flash and SilverL. now are very similar... using webservice for the clientt/server comunication you can work well with both.
Sure, for .NET developer with Visual Studio to use SilverL. is much more FAST and you need C# only.
But, Flash is more available on PCs, also for mobile devices... you could think for Flash if you need portability.
Are there any controls that anyone is aware of that I can use to stream firewire video into a WPF app. I do not need camera control or capture just the video. I need WPF hosting because I'll be adding WPF content on top.
I was hoping that with the addition of having direct X surfaces in WPF something like this might appear.
Ideally looking for something relatively high level (not a direct show guy at all).
Thanks,
Brian
There are a couple really good video rendering packages for WPF. This guy Jeremiah Morrill has a blog where he discusses his numerous render projects. There's the WPF Win32 render project, and a number of low-level techniques he documents for how to access accelerated playback, Media Foundation .NET, DVD controls, etc... I believe his blog is titled "Jer's One Stop Shop".
Reading over his blog in general is a good idea if you are in to video/WPF. Last I checked, "MediaKit", one of his more comprehensive projects, enables easy use of DirectShow (simple xaml and your off and running, so don't worry) and other well known native interfaces. It's very robust and actively maintained, if not that specific project, check into some of the recent API's he's contributing on, some various Win7 media support also.
The only reason I'd bring up this other project, Augmented Reality, is that you remarked about adding content "on top". You should definitely check out wpfAugRel if your doing a lot of video production. Where to get an add on for it eludes me, but I'm sure you can find it off that site, but it allows for you to script in python some fairly slick real-time video production.
-- edit --
Right, look at this google code page, it has some video's (picture's worth a thousand words right?), but regardless, it allow's you to mix in 3D content into live-action, through the use of "marker" prop's, essentially bit's of paper with some easily machine recognizable feature's, that facilitate their underlying engine to inject computer rendered output into a real world scene, highly dynamic, so you can toss these marker's around and the 3D content move's fluidly... anyhow good luck.
Check out this article by UberDemo. It captures video into a WMV file with Windows Media Encoder and WPF. There is a paragraph about how to do the preview in a WPF application.
I'd like to get my feet wet in Silverlight. I think all the reading and tutorials in the world don't work nearly as well as a real project. Plus I've done tutorials, read some books, listened to podcasts and so on. I'm ready for the next step. I'm not sure how to make that step though. I'm certainly not ready to put "Silverlight development" on the resumé with any confidence. Some options:
get on elance and make some lowball bids for RIAs, assuming that part of my compensation is the experience
craigslist
find a designer who needs a programmer - already asked all my designer friends ;)
I'd like to find a non-profit ideally, it'd be cool if I felt like I was helping while I was learning. But that seems like a longshot. I'd really want it to be a publicly facing website so I can use it as a bit of a portfolio piece. And I'd be willing to work for free, or a sliding scale sort of fee. I'm not a designer, so I'd need some help in that dept. I've got some experience with that, but it was so long ago and I don't delude myself about my skills.
I've got about 4 yrs experience in ASP.NET, Winforms and C#.
Suggestions for finding this mythical project?
There is no shortage of non-profits who would love to have someone build software for them, and they don't care what technology it is (this is more or less the sentiment of any customer). I found a non-profit that has a technology need and I'm using ASP.NET MVC and Silverlight to fulfill that need, though admittedly with free time at a premium it's not progressing nearly as fast as a "paid" project. So, my advice is to find a non-profit whose mission you believe in and just send them an email. I doubt they'll turn you down.
Alternatively, help me out! :)
My first, and unfinished, project in Silverlight was started in November 2007. I was designing a poll map of the US in which the user could see realtime vote count, hover over a state and get a detailed breakdown. Similar to John King's Magic Map.
My newborn twins were three months old at the time, so I didn't have a chance to finish it but it was great experience. Silverlight is great for very visual applications. Some more ideas:
Anything geographical, like the polling stuff. There is a free XAML USA map available, Google "XAML USA map".
Graphs, charts, etc. There are some third-party controls available for this or you could experiment with rolling your own.
Drag and Drop type interfaces can really pop with Silverlight.
Games! (My personal favorite)
Here are some ideas:
Make a easily-skinnable shopping cart in Silverlight that integrates with an e-commerce back-end system
I'd try to join an existing Silverlight open source project as a contributor like
this Silverlight Ribbon project on CodePlex.