I have a question, just looking for suggestions here.
So, my application is 'modernizing' a desktop application by converting it to the web, with an ICEFaces UI and server side written in Java. However, they are keeping around the same Oracle database, which at current count has about 700-900 tables and probably a billion total records in the tables. Some individual tables have 250 million rows, many have over 25 million.
Needless to say, the database is not scaling well. As a result, the performance of the application is looking to be abysmal. The architects / decision makers-that-be have all either refused or are unwilling to restructure the persistence. So, basically we are putting a fresh coat of paint on a functional desktop application that currently serves most user needs and does so with relative ease. The actual database performance is pretty slow in the desktop app now. The quick performance I referred to earlier was non-database related stuff (sorry I misspoke there). I am having trouble sleeping at night thinking of how poorly this application is going to perform and how difficult it is going to be for everyday users to do their job.
So, my question is, what options do I have to mitigate this impending disaster? Is there some type of intermediate layer I can put in between the database and the Java code to speed up performance while at the same time keeping the database structure intact? Caching is obviously an option, but I don't see that as being a cure-all. Is it possible to layer a NoSQL DB in between or something?
I don't understand how to reconcile two things you said.
Needless to say, the database is not scaling well
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currently serves most user needs and does so with relative ease and quick performance.
You don't say you are adding new users or new function, just making the same function accessible via a web interface.
So why is there a problem. Your Web App will be doing more or less the same database work as before.
In fact introducing a web tier could well give new caching opportunities so reducing the work the DB is doing.
If your early pieces of web app development are showing poor performance then I would start by trying to understand how the queries you are doing in the web app differ from those done by the existing app. Is it possible that you are using some tooling which is taking a somewhat naive approach to generating queries?
If the current app performs well and your new java app doesn't, the problem is not in the database layer, but in your application layer. If performance is as bad as you say, they should notice fairly early and have the option of going back to the Desktop application.
The DBA should be able to readily identify the additional workload on the database from your application. Assuming the logic hasn't changed it is unlikely to be doing more writes. It could be reads or it could be 'chattier' (moving the same amount of information but in smaller parcels). Chatty applications can use a lot of CPU. A lot of architects try to move processing from the database layer into the application layer because "work on the database is expensive" but actually make things worse due to the overhead of the "to-and-fro".
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There's nothing 'bad' about having 250 million rows in a table. Generally you access a table through an index. There are typically 2 or 3 hops from the top of an index to the bottom (and then one more to the table). I've got a 20 million row table with a BLEVEL of 2 and a 120+ million row table with a BLEVEL of 3.
Indexing means that you rarely hit more than a small proportion of your data blocks. The frequently used index blocks (and data blocks) get cached in the database server's memory. The DBA would be able to see if this memory area is too small for the workload (ie a lot of physical disk IO).
If your app is getting a lot of information that it doesn't really need, this can put pressure on the memory space. Don't be greedy. if you only need three columns from a row, don't grab the whole row.
What you describe is something that Oracle should be capable of handling very easily if you have the right equipment and database design. It should scale well if you get someone on your team who is a specialist in performance tuning large applications.
Redoing the database from scratch would cost a fortune and would introduce new bugs and the potential for loss of critical information is huge. It almost never is a better idea to rewrite the database at this point. Usually those kinds of projects fail miserably after costing the company thousands or even millions of dollars. Your architects made the right choice. Learn to accept that what you want isn't always the best way. The data is far more important to the company than the app. There are many reasons why people have learned not to try to redesign the database from scratch.
Now there are ways to improve database performance. First thing I would consider with a database this size is partioning the data. I would also consider archiving old data to a data warehouse and doing most reporting from that. Other things to consider would be improving your servers to higher performing models, profiling to find slowest running queries and individually fixing them, looking at indexing, updating statistics and indexes (not sure if this is what you do on Oracle, I'm a SLQ Server gal but your dbas would know). There are some good books on refactoring old legacy databases. The one below is not datbase specific.
http://www.amazon.com/Refactoring-Databases-Evolutionary-Database-Design/dp/0321293533/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275577997&sr=8-1
There are also some good books on performance tuning (look for ones specific to Oracle, what works for SQL Server or mySQL is not what is best for Oracle)
Personally I would get those and read them from cover to cover before designing a plan for how you are going to fix the poor performance. I would also include the DBAs in all your planning, they know things that you do not about the database and why some things are designed the way they are.
If you have a lot of lookups that are for items not in the database you can reduce the number by using a bloom filter. Add everything in the database to the bloom filter then before you do a lookup check the bloom first. Only if the bloom reports it present do you need to bother the database. The bloom will result in false positives but you can design it to the 'size vs false positive' trade off that best suits you.
The strategy is used by Google in their big-table database and they have reported that it significantly improves performance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_filter
Good luck, working on tasks you don't believe in is tough.
So you put a fresh coat of paint on a functional and quick desktop application and then the system becomes slow?
And then you say that "it is needless to say that the database isn't scaling well"?
I don't get it. I think that there is something wrong with your fresh coat of paint, not with the database.
Don't be put down by this sort of thing. See it as a challenge, rather than something to be losing sleep over! I know it's tempting as a programmer to want to rip everything out and start over again, but from a business perspective, it's just not always viable. For example, by using the same database, the business can continue to use the old application while the new one is being developed and switch over customers in groups, rather than having to switch everyone over at the same time.
As for what you can do about performance, it depends a lot on the usage pattern. Caching can help greatly with mostly read-only databases. Even with read/write database, it can still be a boon if correctly designed. A NoSQL database might help with write-heavy stuff, but it might also be more trouble than it's worth if the data has to end up in a regular database anyway.
In the end, it all depends greatly on your application's architecture and usage patterns.
Good luck!
Well without knowing too much about what kinds of queries that are mostly done (I would expact lookups to be more common) perhaps you should try caching first. And cache at different layers, at the layer before the app server if possible and of course what you suggested caching at the layer between the app server and the database.
Caching works well for read data and it might not be as bad as you think.
Have you looked at Terracotta ? They do have some caching and scaling stuff that might be relavant to you.
Take it as a challenge!
The way to 'mitigate this impending disaster' is to do what you should be doing anyway. If you follow best practices the pain of switching out your persistence layer at a later stage will be minimal.
Up until the time that you have valid performance benchmarks and identified bottlenecks in the system talk of performance is premature. In any case I would be surprised if many of the 'intermediate layer' strategies aren't already implemented at the database level.
If the database is legacy and enormous, then
1) it cannot be changed in a way that will change the interface, as this will break too many existing applications. Or, if you change the interface, this has to be coordinated with modifying multiple applications with associated testing.
2) If the issue is performance, then there are probably many changes that can be made to optimize the database without changing the interface.
3) Views can be used to maintain the existing interfaces while restructuring tables for more efficiency, or possibly to allow more efficient access in the future.
4) Standard database optimizations, such as performance analysis, indexing, caching can probably greatly increase efficiency and performance without changing the interface.
There's a lot more that can be done, but you get the idea. It can't really be updated in one single big change. Changes have to be incremental, or transparent to the applications that use it.
The database is PART of the application. Don't consider them to be separate, it isn't.
As developer, you need to be free to make schema changes as necessary, and suggest data changes to improve performance / functionality in production (for example archiving old data).
Your development system presumably does not have that much data, but has the exact same schema.
In order to do performance testing, you will need a system with the same hardware and same size data (same data if possible) as production. You should explain to management that performance testing is absolutely necessary as you feel the app isn't going to perform.
Of course making schema changes (adding / removing indexes, splitting tables out etc) may affect other parts of the system - which you should consider as parts of a SYSTEM - and hence do the necessary regression testing and fixing.
If you need to modify the database schema, and make changes to the desktop client accordingly, to make the web app perform, that is what you have to do - justify your design decision to the management.
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Whether we like it or not, many if not most of us developers either regularly work with databases or may have to work with one someday. And considering the amount of misuse and abuse in the wild, and the volume of database-related questions that come up every day, it's fair to say that there are certain concepts that developers should know - even if they don't design or work with databases today.
What is one important concept that developers and other software professionals ought to know about databases?
The very first thing developers should know about databases is this: what are databases for? Not how do they work, nor how do you build one, nor even how do you write code to retrieve or update the data in a database. But what are they for?
Unfortunately, the answer to this one is a moving target. In the heydey of databases, the 1970s through the early 1990s, databases were for the sharing of data. If you were using a database, and you weren't sharing data you were either involved in an academic project or you were wasting resources, including yourself. Setting up a database and taming a DBMS were such monumental tasks that the payback, in terms of data exploited multiple times, had to be huge to match the investment.
Over the last 15 years, databases have come to be used for storing the persistent data associated with just one application. Building a database for MySQL, or Access, or SQL Server has become so routine that databases have become almost a routine part of an ordinary application. Sometimes, that initial limited mission gets pushed upward by mission creep, as the real value of the data becomes apparent. Unfortunately, databases that were designed with a single purpose in mind often fail dramatically when they begin to be pushed into a role that's enterprise wide and mission critical.
The second thing developers need to learn about databases is the whole data centric view of the world. The data centric world view is more different from the process centric world view than anything most developers have ever learned. Compared to this gap, the gap between structured programming and object oriented programming is relatively small.
The third thing developers need to learn, at least in an overview, is data modeling, including conceptual data modeling, logical data modeling, and physical data modeling.
Conceptual data modeling is really requirements analysis from a data centric point of view.
Logical data modeling is generally the application of a specific data model to the requirements discovered in conceptual data modeling. The relational model is used far more than any other specific model, and developers need to learn the relational model for sure. Designing a powerful and relevant relational model for a nontrivial requirement is not a trivial task. You can't build good SQL tables if you misunderstand the relational model.
Physical data modeling is generally DBMS specific, and doesn't need to be learned in much detail, unless the developer is also the database builder or the DBA. What developers do need to understand is the extent to which physical database design can be separated from logical database design, and the extent to which producing a high speed database can be accomplished just by tweaking the physical design.
The next thing developers need to learn is that while speed (performance) is important, other measures of design goodness are even more important, such as the ability to revise and extend the scope of the database down the road, or simplicity of programming.
Finally, anybody who messes with databases needs to understand that the value of data often outlasts the system that captured it.
Whew!
Good question. The following are some thoughts in no particular order:
Normalization, to at least the second normal form, is essential.
Referential integrity is also essential, with proper cascading delete and update considerations.
Good and proper use of check constraints. Let the database do as much work as possible.
Don't scatter business logic in both the database and middle tier code. Pick one or the other, preferably in middle tier code.
Decide on a consistent approach for primary keys and clustered keys.
Don't over index. Choose your indexes wisely.
Consistent table and column naming. Pick a standard and stick to it.
Limit the number of columns in the database that will accept null values.
Don't get carried away with triggers. They have their use but can complicate things in a hurry.
Be careful with UDFs. They are great but can cause performance problems when you're not aware how often they might get called in a query.
Get Celko's book on database design. The man is arrogant but knows his stuff.
First, developers need to understand that there is something to know about databases. They're not just magic devices where you put in the SQL and get out result sets, but rather very complicated pieces of software with their own logic and quirks.
Second, that there are different database setups for different purposes. You do not want a developer making historical reports off an on-line transactional database if there's a data warehouse available.
Third, developers need to understand basic SQL, including joins.
Past this, it depends on how closely the developers are involved. I've worked in jobs where I was developer and de facto DBA, where the DBAs were just down the aisle, and where the DBAs are off in their own area. (I dislike the third.) Assuming the developers are involved in database design:
They need to understand basic normalization, at least the first three normal forms. Anything beyond that, get a DBA. For those with any experience with US courtrooms (and random television shows count here), there's the mnemonic "Depend on the key, the whole key, and nothing but the key, so help you Codd."
They need to have a clue about indexes, by which I mean they should have some idea what indexes they need and how they're likely to affect performance. This means not having useless indices, but not being afraid to add them to assist queries. Anything further (like the balance) should be left for the DBA.
They need to understand the need for data integrity, and be able to point to where they're verifying the data and what they're doing if they find problems. This doesn't have to be in the database (where it will be difficult to issue a meaningful error message for the user), but has to be somewhere.
They should have the basic knowledge of how to get a plan, and how to read it in general (at least enough to tell whether the algorithms are efficient or not).
They should know vaguely what a trigger is, what a view is, and that it's possible to partition pieces of databases. They don't need any sort of details, but they need to know to ask the DBA about these things.
They should of course know not to meddle with production data, or production code, or anything like that, and they should know that all source code goes into a VCS.
I've doubtless forgotten something, but the average developer need not be a DBA, provided there is a real DBA at hand.
Basic Indexing
I'm always shocked to see a table or an entire database with no indexes, or arbitrary/useless indexes. Even if you're not designing the database and just have to write some queries, it's still vital to understand, at a minimum:
What's indexed in your database and what's not:
The difference between types of scans, how they're chosen, and how the way you write a query can influence that choice;
The concept of coverage (why you shouldn't just write SELECT *);
The difference between a clustered and non-clustered index;
Why more/bigger indexes are not necessarily better;
Why you should try to avoid wrapping filter columns in functions.
Designers should also be aware of common index anti-patterns, for example:
The Access anti-pattern (indexing every column, one by one)
The Catch-All anti-pattern (one massive index on all or most columns, apparently created under the mistaken impression that it would speed up every conceivable query involving any of those columns).
The quality of a database's indexing - and whether or not you take advantage of it with the queries you write - accounts for by far the most significant chunk of performance. 9 out of 10 questions posted on SO and other forums complaining about poor performance invariably turn out to be due to poor indexing or a non-sargable expression.
Normalization
It always depresses me to see somebody struggling to write an excessively complicated query that would have been completely straightforward with a normalized design ("Show me total sales per region.").
If you understand this at the outset and design accordingly, you'll save yourself a lot of pain later. It's easy to denormalize for performance after you've normalized; it's not so easy to normalize a database that wasn't designed that way from the start.
At the very least, you should know what 3NF is and how to get there. With most transactional databases, this is a very good balance between making queries easy to write and maintaining good performance.
How Indexes Work
It's probably not the most important, but for sure the most underestimated topic.
The problem with indexing is that SQL tutorials usually don't mention them at all and that all the toy examples work without any index.
Even more experienced developers can write fairly good (and complex) SQL without knowing more about indexes than "An index makes the query fast".
That's because SQL databases do a very good job working as black-box:
Tell me what you need (gimme SQL), I'll take care of it.
And that works perfectly to retrieve the correct results. The author of the SQL doesn't need to know what the system is doing behind the scenes--until everything becomes sooo slooooow.....
That's when indexing becomes a topic. But that's usually very late and somebody (some company?) is already suffering from a real problem.
That's why I believe indexing is the No. 1 topic not to forget when working with databases. Unfortunately, it is very easy to forget it.
Disclaimer
The arguments are borrowed from the preface of my free eBook "Use The Index, Luke". I am spending quite a lot of my time explaining how indexes work and how to use them properly.
I just want to point out an observation - that is that it seems that the majority of responses assume database is interchangeable with relational databases. There are also object databases, flat file databases. It is important to asses the needs of the of the software project at hand. From a programmer perspective the database decision can be delayed until later. Data modeling on the other hand can be achieved early on and lead to much success.
I think data modeling is a key component and is a relatively old concept yet it is one that has been forgotten by many in the software industry. Data modeling, especially conceptual modeling, can reveal the functional behavior of a system and can be relied on as a road map for development.
On the other hand, the type of database required can be determined based on many different factors to include environment, user volume, and available local hardware such as harddrive space.
Avoiding SQL injection and how to secure your database
Every developer should know that this is false: "Profiling a database operation is completely different from profiling code."
There is a clear Big-O in the traditional sense. When you do an EXPLAIN PLAN (or the equivalent) you're seeing the algorithm. Some algorithms involve nested loops and are O( n ^ 2 ). Other algorithms involve B-tree lookups and are O( n log n ).
This is very, very serious. It's central to understanding why indexes matter. It's central to understanding the speed-normalization-denormalization tradeoffs. It's central to understanding why a data warehouse uses a star-schema which is not normalized for transactional updates.
If you're unclear on the algorithm being used do the following. Stop. Explain the Query Execution plan. Adjust indexes accordingly.
Also, the corollary: More Indexes are Not Better.
Sometimes an index focused on one operation will slow other operations down. Depending on the ratio of the two operations, adding an index may have good effects, no overall impact, or be detrimental to overall performance.
I think every developer should understand that databases require a different paradigm.
When writing a query to get at your data, a set-based approach is needed. Many people with an interative background struggle with this. And yet, when they embrace it, they can achieve far better results, even though the solution may not be the one that first presented itself in their iterative-focussed minds.
Excellent question. Let's see, first no one should consider querying a datbase who does not thoroughly understand joins. That's like driving a car without knowing where the steering wheel and brakes are. You also need to know datatypes and how to choose the best one.
Another thing that developers should understand is that there are three things you should have in mind when designing a database:
Data integrity - if the data can't be relied on you essentially have no data - this means do not put required logic in the application as many other sources may touch the database. Constraints, foreign keys and sometimes triggers are necessary to data integrity. Don't fail to use them because you don't like them or don't want to be bothered to understand them.
Performance - it is very hard to refactor a poorly performing database and performance should be considered from the start. There are many ways to do the same query and some are known to be faster almost always, it is short-sighted not to learn and use these ways. Read some books on performance tuning before designing queries or database structures.
Security - this data is the life-blood of your company, it also frequently contains personal information that can be stolen. Learn to protect your data from SQL injection attacks and fraud and identity theft.
When querying a database, it is easy to get the wrong answer. Make sure you understand your data model thoroughly. Remember often actual decisions are made based on the data your query returns. When it is wrong, the wrong business decisions are made. You can kill a company from bad queries or loose a big customer. Data has meaning, developers often seem to forget that.
Data almost never goes away, think in terms of storing data over time instead of just how to get it in today. That database that worked fine when it had a hundred thousand records, may not be so nice in ten years. Applications rarely last as long as data. This is one reason why designing for performance is critical.
Your database will probaly need fields that the application doesn't need to see. Things like GUIDs for replication, date inserted fields. etc. You also may need to store history of changes and who made them when and be able to restore bad changes from this storehouse. Think about how you intend to do this before you come ask a web site how to fix the problem where you forgot to put a where clause on an update and updated the whole table.
Never develop in a newer version of a database than the production version. Never, never, never develop directly against a production database.
If you don't have a database administrator, make sure someone is making backups and knows how to restore them and has tested restoring them.
Database code is code, there is no excuse for not keeping it in source control just like the rest of your code.
Evolutionary Database Design. http://martinfowler.com/articles/evodb.html
These agile methodologies make database change process manageable, predictable and testable.
Developers should know, what it takes to refactor a production database in terms of version control, continious integration and automated testing.
Evolutionary Database Design process has administrative aspects, for example a column is to be dropped after some life time period in all databases of this codebase.
At least know, that Database Refactoring concept and methodologies exist.
http://www.agiledata.org/essays/databaseRefactoringCatalog.html
Classification and process description makes it possible to implement tooling for these refactorings too.
About the following comment to Walter M.'s answer:
"Very well written! And the historical perspective is great for people who weren't doing database work at that time (i.e. me)".
The historical perspective is in a certain sense absolutely crucial. "Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it.". Cfr XML repeating the hierarchical mistakes of the past, graph databases repeating the network mistakes of the past, OO systems forcing the hierarchical model upon users while everybody with even just a tenth of a brain should know that the hierarchical model is not suitable for general-purpose representation of the real world, etcetera, etcetera.
As for the question itself:
Every database developer should know that "Relational" is not equal to "SQL". Then they would understand why they are being let down so abysmally by the DBMS vendors, and why they should be telling those same vendors to come up with better stuff (e.g. DBMS's that are truly relational) if they want to go on sucking hilarious amounts of money out of their customers for such crappy software).
And every database developer should know everything about the relational algebra. Then there would no longer be a single developer left who had to post these stupid "I don't know how to do my job and want someone else to do it for me" questions on Stack Overflow anymore.
From my experience with relational databases, every developer should know:
- The different data types:
Using the correct type for the correct job will make your DB design more robust, your queries faster and your life easier.
- Learn about 1xM and MxM:
This is the bread and butter for relational databases. You need to understand one-to-many and many-to-many relations and apply then when appropriate.
- "K.I.S.S." principle applies to the DB as well:
Simplicity always works best. Provided you have studied how DB work, you will avoid unnecessary complexity which will lead to maintenance and speed problems.
- Indices:
It's not enough if you know what they are. You need to understand when to used them and when not to.
also:
Boolean algebra is your friend
Images: Don't store them on the DB. Don't ask why.
Test DELETE with SELECT
I would like everyone, both DBAs and developer/designer/architects, to better understand how to properly model a business domain, and how to map/translate that business domain model into both a normalized database logical model, an optimized physical model, and an appropriate object oriented class model, each one of which is (can be) different, for various reasons, and understand when, why, and how they are (or should be) different from one another.
I would say strong basic SQL skills. I've seen a lot of developers so far who know a little about databases but are always asking for tips about how to formulate a quite simple query. Queries are not always that easy and simple. You do have to use multiple joins (inner, left, etc.) when querying a well normalized database.
I think a lot of the technical details have been covered here and I don't want to add to them. The one thing I want to say is more social than technical, don't fall for the "DBA knowing the best" trap as an application developer.
If you are having performance issues with query take ownership of the problem too. Do your own research and push for the DBAs to explain what's happening and how their solutions are addressing the problem.
Come up with your own suggestions too after you have done the research. That is, I try to find a cooperative solution to the problem rather than leaving database issues to the DBAs.
Simple respect.
It's not just a repository
You probably don't know better than the vendor or the DBAs
You won't support it at 3 a.m. with senior managers shouting at you
Consider Denormalization as a possible angel, not the devil, and also consider NoSQL databases as an alternative to relational databases.
Also, I think the Entity-Relation model is a must-know for every developper even if you don't design databases. It'll let you understand thoroughly what's your database all about.
Never insert data with the wrong text encoding.
Once your database becomes polluted with multiple encodings, the best you can do is apply some kind combination of heuristics and manual labor.
Aside from syntax and conceptual options they employ (such as joins, triggers, and stored procedures), one thing that will be critical for every developer employing a database is this:
Know how your engine is going to perform the query you are writing with specificity.
The reason I think this is so important is simply production stability. You should know how your code performs so you're not stopping all execution in your thread while you wait for a long function to complete, so why would you not want to know how your query will affect the database, your program, and perhaps even the server?
This is actually something that has hit my R&D team more times than missing semicolons or the like. The presumtion is the query will execute quickly because it does on their development system with only a few thousand rows in the tables. Even if the production database is the same size, it is more than likely going to be used a lot more, and thus suffer from other constraints like multiple users accessing it at the same time, or something going wrong with another query elsewhere, thus delaying the result of this query.
Even simple things like how joins affect performance of a query are invaluable in production. There are many features of many database engines that make things easier conceptually, but may introduce gotchas in performance if not thought of clearly.
Know your database engine execution process and plan for it.
For a middle-of-the-road professional developer who uses databases a lot (writing/maintaining queries daily or almost daily), I think the expectation should be the same as any other field: You wrote one in college.
Every C++ geek wrote a string class in college. Every graphics geek wrote a raytracer in college. Every web geek wrote interactive websites (usually before we had "web frameworks") in college. Every hardware nerd (and even software nerds) built a CPU in college. Every physician dissected an entire cadaver in college, even if she's only going to take my blood pressure and tell me my cholesterol is too high today. Why would databases be any different?
Unfortunately, they do seem different, today, for some reason. People want .NET programmers to know how strings work in C, but the internals of your RDBMS shouldn't concern you too much.
It's virtually impossible to get the same level of understanding from just reading about them, or even working your way down from the top. But if you start at the bottom and understand each piece, then it's relatively easy to figure out the specifics for your database. Even things that lots of database geeks can't seem to grok, like when to use a non-relational database.
Maybe that's a bit strict, especially if you didn't study computer science in college. I'll tone it down some: You could write one today, completely, from scratch. I don't care if you know the specifics of how the PostgreSQL query optimizer works, but if you know enough to write one yourself, it probably won't be too different from what they did. And you know, it's really not that hard to write a basic one.
The order of columns in a non-unique index is important.
The first column should be the column that has the most variability in its content (i.e. cardinality).
This is to aid SQL Server ability to create useful statistics in how to use the index at runtime.
Understand the tools that you use to program the database!!!
I wasted so much time trying to understand why my code was mysteriously failing.
If you're using .NET, for example, you need to know how to properly use the objects in the System.Data.SqlClient namespace. You need to know how to manage your SqlConnection objects to make sure they are opened, closed, and when necessary, disposed properly.
You need to know that when you use a SqlDataReader, it is necessary to close it separately from your SqlConnection. You need to understand how to keep connections open when appropriate to how to minimize the number of hits to the database (because they are relatively expensive in terms of computing time).
Basic SQL skills.
Indexing.
Deal with different incarnations of DATE/ TIME/ TIMESTAMP.
JDBC driver documentation for the platform you are using.
Deal with binary data types (CLOB, BLOB, etc.)
For some projects, and Object-Oriented model is better.
For other projects, a Relational model is better.
The impedance mismatch problem, and know the common deficiencies or ORMs.
RDBMS Compatibility
Look if it is needed to run the application in more than one RDBMS. If yes, it might be necessary to:
avoid RDBMS SQL extensions
eliminate triggers and store procedures
follow strict SQL standards
convert field data types
change transaction isolation levels
Otherwise, these questions should be treated separately and different versions (or configurations) of the application would be developed.
Don't depend on the order of rows returned by an SQL query.
Three (things) is the magic number:
Your database needs version control too.
Cursors are slow and you probably don't need them.
Triggers are evil*
*almost always
In my experience, this has been a contentious issue between "backend" (database developer) and "frontend" guys (application developer, client and server side).
There have been many heated pub discussions on this subject.
I just want to know is it just people have different mindsets, or lazy to learn more and feel comfortable in what they know, or something else.
I might re-phrase the question: why do (some) application developers think they can do "database stuff" without actually bothering to understand it properly? Whereas database developers do not (in general) assume they can write a good application without some training and experience!
It is about levels of abstraction. A database is the lowest level of abstraction in a typical business application (software-wise). It is much more likely that a developer working on an outer layer of the abstraction would have knowledge of an inner layer than a developer in an inner layer would know about the outer layer.
This is because inner layers of abstraction best perform when they are ignorant of the outer layers who depend on them.
So a designer in the presentation layer of a website may know a bit about the server-side code they depend on because they interact with it. But the developer working on the server does not need to know anything about design at all.
I would say it's on a need to know basis. Applications developers often need to know how to connect to databases, add records, delete records etc... This is taken further with new technologies such as LINQ where developers can write database queries within their actual code.
Database developers on the other hand only really need to know how to write database queries as that is their job and probably won't need to worry about the code at application level.
Because programmers very often must understand and interact with databases to do their job, but DBAs very often don't need to do any programming (outside of the DBMS) to do their jobs.
I believe it stems from the fact that programming in sql looks easy, and to get started you have to have a small amount of knowledge (Really for a programmer to learn SELECT * FROM Table is pretty easy). Application programming is not the same way. It becomes very complex in a small amount of time, and that discourages a lot of people. Now I am not saying that database people are any less intelligent it is just what they do looks easier than building applications.
If you develop applications, then the chances are, that sooner or later, you'll have to connect an app to a back-end.
The opposite is not as true.
I think it stems from necessity. If you consider the roles of each person, a programmer needs to to database related stuff far more than database workers need to do programming tasks.
From my experience, having developed both "databases" and "applications" (following your nomenclature...), I guess there's a big difference in state management.
Properly designed databases are always in a "clean" state, and every transaction keeps this consistency. So when developing a database, you have to very clearly specify your data abstractions into tables and which updates are legal and so on.
I've found that most application developers (myself included :)) do a very sloppy job in keeping this consistent state in the application. Any non-trivial interface has many more possible states to manage than a modest database, and it's not as easy to make sure it's always in a clean state. It's also harder to analyze every possible sequence of steps that users will perform.
From my experience, the application developers don't do all the database stuff. Consider all the administration that is related to the databse, backups, replication, etc.
A typical DBA (at least on most of the projects I've been involved to) takes care about everything that is related to project databases - all administration, cooperates with application developers on performance tuning, gives advices about SQL used by the app, does some of the stored procs coding, creates (or, at least reviews and consults) physical DB designs, etc.
So, aren't the database guys "lazy", or "fine with what they already know" just from an application developer's perspective? I'm an app developer myself and there is a whole lot of things that I just don't know about the DBs we're using on our projects.
Part of my education ensured I got a decent understanding of how Databases work. I went into the field expecting to do database work, and a lot of it. I'm a web app guy; it comes with the territory I guess.
My two jobs as a developer have been at two shops that would best be described as tiny (2 people myself included, and then just me) and tiny (3 developers, briefly having a fourth). I have not observed an immediate business need for, nor worked anywhere that had the resources to employ a dedicated DB guy. I can envision some scenarios where that would change (including a new job :P).
As to the rest, I agree that abstraction is also a factor and as developers we're way up on top/outside looking in. I can't imagine doing web app development without DB skills, and I consider Sql/DB Management to be both an important tool and an area I need to stay sharp in.
I'll add that I treat the database side as its own field. There's skills that translate between the two, but there's a lot of specialized knowledge I need to acquire to get better at it, and that being a good programmer doesn't necessarily mean I'm doing a good job on the back end either (fortunately, I'm not a good programmer ;) ). Also, I'm pretty sure that's what she said.
2 reasons:
DB Vendors facilitate bad SQL, and
SQL is hidden from view while
application UI is front and center.
Most naive developers think SQL is a procedural language and write it as such because vendors ensure that the tools exist so that they can do so. DBAs know that good SQL is set-oriented and has optimization principles that are totally different from those involved in application programming.
The visibility aspect makes it so the application developers can write bad SQL against a database and get it to perform in a marginal way, and no one ever sees quite how bad it is. When a DBA writes an application, there are immediate critiques on its appearance and behavior because it's directly visible to the end user.
Good question. Actually why developers do Database Stuff because where no dedicated Database guys then developers have to do that. But a company have Database Guys also have Development guys.
:) what is your idea ?
I know that the title might sound a little contradictory, but what I'm asking is with regards to ORM frameworks (SQLAlchemy in this case, but I suppose this would apply to any of them) that allow you to define your schema within your application.
Is it better to change the database schema directly and then update the column types in your program manually, or does it make more sense to define the tables in your application and then use the ORM framework's table generation functions to make the schema and then build the tables on the database side for you?
Bear in mind that applications and databases tend to live in a M:M relationship in any but the most trivial cases. If your application is at all likely to have interfaces to other systems, reports, data extracts or loads, or data migrated onto or off it from another system then the database has more than one stakeholder.
Be nice to the other stakeholders in your application. Take the time and get the schema right and put some thought into data quality in the design of your application. Keep an eye on anyone else using the application and make sure you don't break bits of the schema that they depend on without telling them. This means that the database has a life of its own to a greater or lesser extent. The more integration, the more independent the database.
Of course, if nobody else uses or cares about the data, feel free to ignore my advice.
My personal belief is that you should design the database on its own merits. The database is the best place to handle things modeling your Domain data. The database is also the biggest source of slow down in applications and letting your ORM design your database seems like a bad idea to me. :)
Of course, I've only got a couple of big projects behind me. I'm still learning daily. :)
The best way to define your database schema is to start with modeling your application domain (domain driven design anyone?) and seeing what tables take shape based on the domain objects you define.
I think this is the best way because really the database is simply a place to persist information from the application, it should never lead the design. It's not the only place to persist information as well. We have users that want to work from flat files or the database for instance. They could also use XML files. So by starting with your domain objects and then generating tables (or flat file or XML schema or whatever) from there will lead to a much better design in the end.
While this may depend on you using an object-oriented language, using an ORM tool like Hibernate/NHibernate, SubSonic, etc. can really make this transition easy for you up to, and including generating the database creation scripts.
In reference to performance, performance should be one of the last things you look at in an application, it should never drive the design. After you get a good schema up and running based on your domain you can always make tweaks to improve its performance.
Alot depends on your skill level with the specific database product that you're going to use. Think of it as the difference between a "manual" and "automatic" transmission car. ORMs provide you with that "automatic" transmission, just start designing your classes, and let the ORM worry about getting it stored into the database somehow.
Sounds good. The problem with most ORMs is that in their quest to be PI "persistence ignorant", they often don't take advantage of specific database features that can provide elegant solutions for a given task. Notice, I didn't say ALL ORMs, just most.
My take is to design the conceptual data model first yourself. Then you can go in either direction, up towards the application space, or down towards the physical database. But remember, only YOU know if it's more advantageous to use a view instead of a table, should you normalize or de-normalize a table, what non-clustered index(es) make sense with this table, is a natural or surrogate key more appropriate for this table, etc... Of course, if you feel that these questions are beyond your grasp, then let the ORM help you out.
One more thing, you really need to seperate the application design from the database design. They are almost never the same. How important is that data? Could another application be designed to use that data? It's a lot easier to refactor an application than it is to refactor a database with a billion rows of data spread across thousands of tables.
Well, if you can get away with it, doing it in the application is probably the best way. Since it's a perfect example of the DRY principle.
Having said that however, getting away with it is always going to be hard to pull off since you're practically choosing to give up most database specific optimizations. (more so, with querying, but it still applies to schemas (indexes, etc)).
You'll probably end up changing the schema by hand anyway, and then you'll be stuck with a brittle database schema that's going to be the source of your worst nightmares :)
My 2 Cents
Design each based on their own requirements as much as possible. Trying to keep them in too rigid sync is a good illustration of increased coupling/decreased cohesion.
Come to think of it, ORMs can easily be used to spread coupling (even though it can be avoided to some degree).