I'm new in Linux world, and would like to ask a question for this forum:
If I want to access physical address from user space, and I don't have any Kernel driver implementation for this specific hardware device - Can I do it?
I know this is not the "right" way to do so, just want to know if there is a way.
Thanks in advanced!
You cannot in general access physical addresses (from user-space program) on Linux.
However, you might perhaps want to mmap(2) the /dev/mem device (see mem(4) for details).
You'll still use virtual memory with virtual addresses, but you'll happen to see part of the physical RAM.
Read Advanced Linux Programming.
No it is not possible to access an arbitrary physical address from application without a system call. (That means you need an existing driver or you need to write a kernel space driver to do map required register for you)
Mmap also work on virtual address. So if your physical addresses maps to a logical address then only you can get a mapping of the wanted physical address and access it.
Depending on your hardware architecture you might not be able to directly access the address of a register because of the memory protection mechanics and because memory addresses "seen" by the kernel are different from the one seen from a user space process.
You will need some kernel space code that will map back and forth the register address to a memory address that makes sense for your user speca process. Try reading about memory mapping and mmap () related syscalls
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I'm developing a new Kernel-Mode driver, that should run on Windows 10 (64-bit).
This driver should allocate 48GB of continuous physical memory, and map it (its base address) to a virtual address in the user space of the Windows application that will use it. The system actually has 64GB of RAM installed on it, so it might be needed to make a segment of the memory dedicated for this use, perhaps by changing a boot entry information.
In addition, the driver should reveal its base address somehow to an FPGA-based device, located on the PCIe slot. The purpose of this, is to use this 48GB of continuous physical allocated memory, as a DMA (Direct Memory Access). Namely, the FPGA-based device will generate data, and write it at the appropriate location in the DMA. The host software will try to read from that location, in a cyclic fashion. That is, the FPGA will override the data in the buffer, and the host will try to keep the pace, and read that data before it is overridden.
Please note that this question only deals with the host side (the driver), and not with the FPGA side.
So, basically my questions are:
How do I make such an allocation (as described above)?
How do I map the base address from the virtual address in the Kernel-Space, to the appropriate virtual address in the User-Space?
How do I reveal that base address to the FPGA (located on the PCIe slot), so it will know where to perform its write operations?
What other Callback-Functions should this driver implement, in terms of events handling?
Thanks a lot!
Im doing some debugging on hardware with a Linux OS.
Now there no way for me to know if any of it works unless I can check the allocated ram that I asked it to write to.
Is there some way that I can check what is in that block or RAM from an external program running in the same OS?
If I could write a little program in C to do that how will I go about it since I cant just go and assign pointers custom addresses ?
Thanks
I think the best way to do what you are asking for is to use a debugger. And you cannot read another programme's memory unless you execute your code in a privileged space (i.e. the kernel), and privileged from the point of view of the CPU. And this because each programme is running in its own virtual memory space (for security concerns) and even the kernel is running in a virtual memory space but it has the privilege to map any physical memory block inside the virtual memory space it is current running. Anyway, I will not explain more in depth how an modern OS manage memory with the underneath hardware, it would be long.
You should really look at using a debugger. Once you environment with your debugger is ready, you should put a break after that memory block allocation so the debugger will stop the programme there and so you can inspect that freshly allocated memory block as you wish. Depending on whether you use an IDE or not, it can be very easy to use a debugger ;)
/dev/mem could come to use. It is a device file that is an image of the physical memory (including non-RAM memory). It's generally used to read/write memory of peripheral devices.
By mmap()ing to it, you could access physical memory.
See this linux documentation project page
memedit is a handy utility to display and change memory content for testing purposes.
It's main purpose is to display SoC hardware registers but it could be used to display RAM. It is based on mmap() mechanism. It could be good starting point to write custom application.
I know there are two types of addresses. Virtual and Physical. Printing the address of an integer variable will print its virtual address. Is there a function that will facilitate to print the physical memory of that variable?
Does virtual memory mean a section on hard disk that is treated as RAM by the OS?
No, there is no such (portable) function. In modern operating systems implementing memory protection, user-space (as opposed to kernel-space, i.e. parts of the OS) cannot access physical addresses directly, that's simply not allowed. So there would be little point.
No, virtual memory does not need to involve hard disks, that's "swapping" or "paging". You can implement that once you have virtual memory, since it gives the OS a chance to intervene and manage which pages are kept in physical memory, thus making it possible to "page out" memory to other storage media.
For a very in-depth look at how the Linux kernel manages memory, this blog post is fantastic.
This is a complicated subject.
Physical memory addresses point to a real location in a hardware memory device, whether it be your system memory, graphics card memory, or network card buffer.
Virtual memory is the memory model presented to user-mode processes. Most devices on the system have some virtual memory address space mapped to them, which the processor can write to. When these physical memory addresses are given a virtual memory address, the OS recognises that read/write requests to those addresses need to be serviced by a particular device, and delegates that request off to it.
I'm working on a Linux kernel project and i need to find a way to allocate Virtual Memory without allocating Physical Memory. For example if I use this :
char* buffer = my_virtual_mem_malloc(sizeof(char) * 512);
my_virtual_mem_malloc is a new SYSCALL implemented by my kernel module. All data written on this buffer is stocked on file or on other server by using socket (not on Physical Memory). So to complete this job, i need to request Virtual Memory and get access to the vm_area_struct structure to redefine vm_ops struct.
Do you have any ideas about this ?
thx
This is not architecturally possible. You can create vm areas that have a writeback routine that copies data somewhere, but at some level, you must allocate physical pages to be written to.
If you're okay with that, you can simply write a FUSE driver, mount it somewhere, and mmap a file from it. If you're not, then you'll have to just write(), because redirecting writes without allocating a physical page at all is not supported by the x86, at the very least.
There are a few approaches to this problem, but most of them require you to first write to an intermediate memory.
Network File System (NFS)
The easiest approach is simply to have the server open some sort of a shared file system such as NFS and using mmap() to map a remote file to a memory address. Then, writing to that address will actually write the OS's page cache, wich will eventually be written to the remote file when the page cache is full or after predefined system timeout.
Distributed Shared Memory (DSM)
An alternative approach is using DSM with a very small cache size.
In computer science, distributed shared memory (DSM) is a form of memory architecture where physically separated memories can be addressed as one logically shared address space.
[...] Software DSM systems can be implemented in an operating system, or as a programming library and can be thought of as extensions of the underlying virtual memory architecture. When implemented in the operating system, such systems are transparent to the developer; which means that the underlying distributed memory is completely hidden from the users.
It means that each virtual address is logically mapped to a virtual address on a remote machine and writing to it will do the following: (a) receive the page from the remote machine and gain exclusive access. (b) update the page data. (c) release the page and send it back to the remote machine when it reads it again.
On typical DSM implementation, (c) will only happen when the remote machine will read the data again, but you might start from existing DSM implementation and change the behavior so that the data is sent once the local machine page cache is full.
I/O MMU
[...] the IOMMU maps device-visible virtual addresses (also called device addresses or I/O addresses in this context) to physical addresses.
This basically means to write directly to the network device buffer, which is actually implementing an alternative driver for that device.
Such approach seems the most complicated and I don't see any benefit from that approach.
This approach is actually not using any intermediate memory but is definitely not recommended unless the system has a heavy realtime requirement.
I understand that each user process is given a virtual address space, and that can be dumped. But is there a way to dump the Physical Address Space? Suppose I have 32-bit system with 4GB memory, can i write a program to print each physical memory location.
I understand it violates memory protection etc. but if its possible how can convert this into a kernel process or lower level process to allow me access to the entire memory..?
I'd like to know how to write such code (if possible) on Windows/Linux platform( or kernel).. OR in case I've to use Assembly or something like that, how to shift to that privilege level.
In Linux, you can open and map the device file /dev/mem (if you have read permission to it). This corresponds to physical memory.
can i write a program to print each physical memory location.
I think no operating system gives the user access to physical memory location. So, you cann't. What ever, you are seeing are virtual addresses produced by the Operating System.
It is possible, on Windows, to access physical memory directly. Some of the things you can do:
Use the Device\PhysicalMemory object -- you can't access all physical memory, and user-mode access to it is restricted starting from Windows Server 2003 SP1.
Use Address Windowing Extensions -- you can control your own virtual-to-physical address mappings, so in a sense you are accessing physical memory directly, although still through page tables.
Write a kernel-mode driver -- there are kernel-mode APIs to access physical memory directly, to allocate physical memory pages, etc. One reason for that is DMA (Direct Memory Access).
None of these methods will give you easy, unrestricted access to any physical memory location.
If I may ask, what are you trying to accomplish?
I'm thinking you could probably do it with a kernel mode driver, but the result would be gibberish as what is in the user section of RAM at the time you grabbed it would be what the OS had paged in, it may be part of one application or a mish mash of a whole bunch. This previous SO question may also be helpful: How does a Windows Kernel mode Driver, access paged memory ?
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