my ajax calls to AppEngine doing some very basic logic (and doing all the actual processing in the background, isolated from the frontend) tend to be at least 200% slower than they used to. Like taking 3 seconds instead of one out of a sudden since a week or so.
I am wondering if you guys had a similar experience or something changed in the meantime I am not aware of, quota wise maybe. I am using the free quota.
Thanks
Zac
To my knowledge there is no particular change going on, but we can't be sure. However slow response time can have multiple root causes.
If you have no traffic on your application then you might have zero instance running, therefore when you make your request there is the time for an instance to start up.
If you have a lot of traffic, depending on your configuration the request can take more time. You need to fine tune wether the request waits to be handled by an "overloaded" instance or if another instance should start.
If you use an API maybe there is something wrong with it.
I would suggest you enable appstats in your app, it will show you what takes time in your request: you will definitely see if this is something on your side or not.
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On Google App Engine, there are multiple ways a request can start: a web request, a cron job, a taskqueue, and probably others as well.
How could you (especially on Managed VM) determine the time when your current request began?
One solution is to instrument all of your entry points, and save the start time somewhere, but it would be nice if there was an environment variable or something that told when the request started. The reason this is important is because many GAE requests have deadlines (either 60 seconds or 10 minutes in various scenarios), and it's helpful to determine how much time you have left in a request when you are doing some additional work.
We don't specifically expose anything that lets you know how much time is left on the current request. You should be able to do this by recording the time at the entrypoint of a request, and storing it in a thread local static.
The need for this sounds... questionable. Why are you doing this? It may be a better idea to use a worker / queue pattern with polling for something that could take a long time.
You can see all this information in the logs in your Developer console. You can also add more data to the logs in your code, as necessary.
See Writing Application Logs.
I developed an application for client that uses Play framework 1.x and runs on GAE. The app works great, but sometimes is crazy slow. It takes around 30 seconds to load simple page but sometimes it runs faster - no code change whatsoever.
Are there any way to identify why it's running slow? I tried to contact support but I couldnt find any telephone number or email. Also there is no response on official google group.
How would you approach this problem? Currently my customer is very angry because of slow loading time, but switching to other provider is last option at the moment.
Use GAE Appstats to profile your remote procedure calls. All of the RPCs are slow (Google Cloud Storage, Google Cloud SQL, ...), so if you can reduce the amount of RPCs or can use some caching datastructures, use them -> your application will be much faster. But you can see with appstats which parts are slow and if they need attention :) .
For example, I've created a Google Cloud Storage cache for my application and decreased execution time from 2 minutes to under 30 seconds. The RPCs are a bottleneck in the GAE.
Google does not usually provide a contact support for a lot of services. The issue described about google app engine slowness is probably caused by a cold start. Google app engine front-end instances sleep after about 15 minutes. You could write a cron job to ping instances every 14 minutes to keep the nodes up.
Combining some answers and adding a few things to check:
Debug using app stats. Look for "staircase" situations and RPC calls. Maybe something in your app is triggering RPC calls at certain points that don't happen in your logic all the time.
Tweak your instance settings. Add some permanent/resident instances and see if that makes a difference. If you are spinning up new instances, things will be slow, for probably around the time frame (30 seconds or more) you describe. It will seem random. It's not just how many instances, but what combinations of the sliders you are using (you can actually hurt yourself with too little/many).
Look at your app itself. Are you doing lots of memory allocations in the JVM? Allocating/freeing memory is inherently a slow operation and can cause freezes. Are you sure your freezing is not a JVM issue? Try replicating the problem locally and tweak the JVM xmx and xms settings and see if you find similar behavior. Also profile your application locally for memory/performance issues. You can cut down on allocations using pooling, DI containers, etc.
Are you running any sort of cron jobs/processing on your front-end servers? Try to move as much as you can to background tasks such as sending emails. The intervals may seem random, but it can be a result of things happening depending on your job settings. 9 am every day may not mean what you think depending on the cron/task options. A corollary - move things to back-end servers and pull queues.
It's tough to give you a good answer without more information. The best someone here can do is give you a starting point, which pretty much every answer here already has.
By making at least one instance permanent, you get a great improvement in the first use. It takes about 15 sec. to load the application in the instance, which is why you experience long request times, when nobody has been using the application for a while
Does anybody know if GAE provides a way to route a request to a specified instance? The startup of new instances is killing me on facebook URL linter requests since they timeout before a new instance can start up sometimes. I have no way to control this timeout either. So what I'd like to do is to keep specified instances idle for these calls without needing to hack around it with cron jobs. I think this would be more cost effective as well.
The new modules allows for direct addressing of instances. Much like how backends used to work.
Like so:
http://instance.version.module.app-id.appspot.com
Read more in the documentation here.
It sounds like you need a dedicated set of "always alive" instances to handle just those calls. Backends might be a good solution for that. You can set a separate url address to route to a specific backend.
http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/backends/overview.html#Addressing_Backends
This is not possible for frontends, but you can have requests directed to specific backends, and you can make backends externally accessible if you choose.
I'd suggest working on your app to improve loading time, though. If it's taking so long a bot gives up, that's got to have serious implications for usability by your users. Also, make sure you've got warmup requests enabled.
Lately, I have seen GAE taking much, much longer to process requests than it did just a week ago. Nothing changed in my code, but GAE now is taking 4000-12000ms to respond to requests. What makes is worse is that I have plenty of instances available with 0 requests on them.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
What can I do to fix it?I have gone as far as to spin up 15 extra instances (and paid through the nose for them) but nothing seems to send requests to the other idle instances reliably.
My bill has gone from 70-90c/day to $5-8/day without any code change or increase in traffic. In fact, I am losing traffic because of the huge latency.
QPS* Latency* Requests Errors Age Memory Availability
0.000 0.0 ms 1378 0 10:10:09 57.9 MBytes Dynamic
0.000 0.0 ms 1681 0 15:39:57 57.2 MBytes Dynamic
0.017 9687.0 ms 886 0 10:19:10 56.7 MBytes Dynamic
I recommend installing AppStats to get a picture of what's taking so long in each request. I'd guess that you're having some contention issues or large numbers of reads/writes caused by some new data configuration.
The idle instances won't help decrease latency - it looks like every request takes a long time, and with less than one request per minute (in this sample anyway), 10s requests could run serially on the same instance.
We have a similar problem in our app. In our case, we are under the impression that GAE's scheduler did a poor job in balancing requests to existing instances.
In some cases, the scheduler decided to spin up new instances instead of re-using already existing ones. Since spinning a new instance took 5 to >45 seconds, I suspect this might be what happened to you.
Try to investigate the following and see if it helps you:
Make sure your app has thread-safe enabled so that you could process concurrent requests. You could configure this in your app.yaml if you are using Python, or in your appengine-web.xml if you use Java. Of course, you also need to make sure that the code in your app is threadsafe.
In your application settings, if it is still set on automatic, change the minimum pending latency to a non-automatic setting. I'd suggest around 10 seconds for now, but you could experiment later on which setting would suit you the most. This force the scheduler to wait for a certain time to see if any instance is available within the time before spinning up a new instance.
Now, to answer your original question regarding sending all requests to same instance, as far as I know there is no way to address a specific front-end instance in order to direct the requests to that particular instance.
What you could do is migrate your app to use backend instances instead of the regular frontend instance. Backends provides a way to directly target any particular instance within it. You could deploy your app in a single backend to have more control on the number of instance that you spawn. And since using the backend bypass the scheduler, you would not encounter latencies caused by new instances spinning up.
The major drawback of using this approach is that you lose the auto-scalability benefit of using front-end instances. But seeing from your low daily billing, I think scalability is not yet a major concern for the scale of your app.
I'm using the Python 2.5 runtime on Google App Engine. Needless to say I'm a bit worried about the new costs so I want to get a better idea of what kind of traffic volume I will experience.
If 10 users simultaneously access my application at myapplication.appspot.com, will that spawn 10 instances?
If no, how many users in an instance? Is it even measured that way?
I've already looked at http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/adminconsole/instances.html but I just wanted to make sure that my interpretation is correct.
"Users" is a fairly meaningless term from an HTTP point of view. What's important is how many requests you can serve in a given time interval. This depends primarily on how long your app takes to serve a given request. Obviously, if it takes 200 milliseconds for you to serve a request, then one instance can serve at most 5 requests per second.
When a request is handled by App Engine, it is added to a queue. Any time an instance is available to do work, it takes the oldest item from the queue and serves that request. If the time that a request has been waiting in the queue ('pending latency') is more than the threshold you set in your admin console, the scheduler will start up another instance and start sending requests to it.
This is grossly simplified, obviously, but gives you a broad idea how the scheduler works.
First, no.
An instance per user is unreasonable and doesn't happen.
So you're asking how does my app scale to more instances? Depends on the load.
If you have much much requests per second then you'll get (automatically) another instance so the load is distributed.
That's the core idea behind App Engine.