I'm lost in: Hadoop, Hbase, Lucene, Carrot2, Cloudera, Tika, ZooKeeper, Solr, Katta, Cascading, POI...
When you read about the one you can be often sure that each of the others tools is going to be mentioned.
I don't expect you to explain every tool to me - sure not. If you could help me to narrow this set for my particular scenario it would be great. So far I'm not sure which of the above will fit and it looks like (as always) there are more then one way of doing what's to be done.
The scenario is: 500GB - ~20 TB of documents stored in Hadoop. Text documents in multiple formats: email, doc, pdf, odt. Metadata about those documents stored in SQL db (sender, recipients, date, department etc.) Main source of documents will be ExchangeServer (emails and attachments), but not only. Now to the search: User needs to be able to do complex full-text searches over those documents. Basicaly he'll be presented with some search-config panel (java desktop application, not webapp) - he'll set date range, document types, senders/recipients, keywords etc. - fire the search and get the resulting list of the documents (and for each document info why its included in search results i.e. which keywords are found in document).
Which tools I should take into consideration and which not? The point is to develop such solution with only minimal required "glue"-code. I'm proficient in SQLdbs but quite uncomfortable with Apache-and-related technologies.
Basic workflow looks like this: ExchangeServer/other source -> conversion from doc/pdf/... -> deduplication -> Hadopp + SQL (metadata) -> build/update an index <- search through the docs (and do it fast) -> present search results
Thank you!
Going with solr is a good option. I have used it for similar scenario you described above. You can use solr for real huge data as its a distributed index server.
But to get the meta data about all of these documents formats you should be using some other tool. Basically your workflow will be this.
1) Use hadoop cluster to store data.
2) Extract data in hadoop cluster using map/redcue
3) Do document identification( identify document type)
4) Extract meta data from these document.
5) Index metadata in solr server, store other ingestion information in database
6) Solr server is distributed index server, so for each ingestion you could create a new shard or index.
7) When search is required search on all the indexs.
8) Solr supports all the complex searches , so you don't have to make your own search engine.
9) It also does paging for you as well.
We've done exactly this for some of our clients by using Solr as a "secondary indexer" to HBase. Updates to HBase are sent to Solr, and you can query against it. Typically folks start with HBase, and then graft search on. Sounds like you know from the get go that search is what you want, so you can probably embed the secondary indexing in from your pipeline that feeds HBase.
You may find though that just using Solr does everything you need.
Another project to look at is Lily, http://www.lilyproject.org/lily/index.html, which has already done the work of integrating Solr with a distributed database.
Also, I do not see why you would not want to use a browser for this application. You are describing exactly what faceted search is. While you certainly could set up a desktop app that communicates with the server (parses JSON) and displays the results in a thick client GUI, all of this work is already done for you in the browser. And, Solr comes with a free faceted search system out of the box: just follow along the tutorial.
Going with Solr (http://lucene.apache.org/solr) is a good solution, but be ready to have to deal with some non-obvious things. First is planning your indexes properly. Multiple terabytes of data will almost definitely need multiple shards on Solr for any level of reasonable performance and you'll be in charge of managing those yourself. It does provide distributed search (doing the queries off multiple shards), but that is only half the battle.
ElasticSearch (http://www.elasticsearch.org/) is another popular alternative, but i don't have much experience with it regarding scale. It uses the same Lucene engine so i'd expect the search feature-set to be similar.
Another type of solution is something like SenseiDB - open sourced from LinkedIn - which gives the full-text search functionality (also Lucene-based) as well as proven scale for large amounts of data:
http://senseidb.com
They've definitely done a lot of work on search over there and my casual use of it is pretty promising.
Assuming all your data is already in Hadoop, you could write some custom MR jobs that pull the data in a consistent schema-friendly format into SenseiDB. SenseiDB already provides a Hadoop MR indexer which you can look at.
The only caveat is it is a little more complex to setup, but will save you with the scaling issues many times over - especially around indexing performance and faceting functionality. It also provides clustering support if HA is important to you - which is still in Alpha for Solr (Solr 4.x is alpha atm).
Hope that helps and good luck!
Update:
I asked a friend who is more versed in ElasticSearch than me and it does have the advantage of clustering and rebalancing based on the # of machines and shards you have. This is a definite win over Solr - especially if you're dealing with TBs of data. The only downside is the current state of documentation on ElasticSearch leaves a lot to be desired.
As a side note, you can't say the documents are stored in Hadoop, they are stored in a distributed file system (most probably HDFS since you mentioned Hadoop).
Regarding searching/indexing: Lucene is the tool to use for your scenario. You can use it for both indexing and searching. It's a java library. There is also an associated project (called Solr) which allows you to access the indexing/searching system through WebServices. So you should also take a look at Solr as it allows the handling of different types of documents (Lucene puts the responsability of interpreting the document (PDF, Word, etc) on your shoulders but you, probably, can already do that)
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I am developing a web application where I want to use Solr for search only and keep my data on another Database.
I will be having 2 databases: one Relational (Sql Server) and the other will be a copy of it on the NoSQL Solr database.
I'll be searching for specific fields in the solr documents e.g(by id,name,type and join queries) i.e NOT full text search.
I know Solr strength is in full text search by creating inverted index on the documents data, now i want to know does it also helps in my case by creating another type of index on my documents which make normal searching faster than sql server index?
Yes, it will help you.
You need to consider what is your requirement. What is your preference?
If you have the solr as another additional option which will be used for the searching the application data, you need to consider that you have to constantly update the solr. You will need additional infrastructure and all.
If the performance is your main criteria and you don't want to put any search load on your RDBMS then you can add the solr to your system. Also consider how big your data is in the RDBMS. Because RDBMS system are also enough strong to support searching data.
Considering all the above aspects you can take the decision.
I am looking into Neo4j as a stripped-down document store. A key aspect of document storage is search, and I know Neo4j includes full text search via legacy indices provided by Lucene.
I would be very interested in hearing the limitations of Neo4j search capabilities in a distributed environment. Does it provide a distributed index? In what ways is it inferior to Solr or ElasticSearch? How far can I take it before I must install Solr?
-- EDIT --
We are trying to integrate two distinct search efforts. The first is standard text content search. For instance, using the Enron emails, we want to search for every email that matches "bananas" or "going to the store" and get those document bodies in response. This is where people often turn to Solr.
The second case is more complicated, we have attached a great deal of meta-data to each document. We may have decided that "these" emails were the result of late-night drunk-dialing. Now I want to search for all emails that may have been the result of late-night drunk-dialing. For this kind of meta-data, we believe a graph database is in order.
In a perfect world, I can use one platform to perform both queries. I appreciate that Neo4j (nor OrientDB, Arango, etc) are designed as full text search databases, but I'm trying to understand the limitations thereof.
In terms of volume, we are dealing at a very large scale with batch-style nightly updates. The data is content heavy, with some documents running into hundreds of pages of text, but mostly on the order of a page or two.
I once worked on a health social network where we needed some sort of search and connection search functionalities we first went on neo4j we were very impressed by the cypher query language we could get and express any request however when you throw there billion of nodes you start to pay the price and we started considering another graph db, this time we've made a lot of research, tests and OrientDB was clearly the winner, OrientDB is highly scalable but the thing is that you have to code by yourself, your "search algorithm" if you want to do some advanced things (what is the common point between this two nodes) otherwise you have the SQL like query language (i don't know/remember if he has a name) but you can do some interesting stuff with it
So in conclusion i would definitely go on OrientDB
Neo4j can provide a "distributed index" in the sense that the high availability cluster can make your index available on more than one machine, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you're after. Related to this issue is a different answer I wrote about graph partitioning, and what it takes to distribute a really large number of nodes/relationships across multiple machines. (It's not terribly simple)
Solr and Lucene do two different things (although Solr is built on top of Lucene). I think solr and neo4j are not comparable because they're trying to do completely different things. This site isn't about software recommendations so I can't tell you what you should use other than to say you should read up on solr and neo4j, and figure out which set of functionality you want. As far as I know, this is an exclusive decision as I'm not aware of people integrating solr with neo4j.
Your question is very difficult to answer, I'd recommend expanding on what you are trying to do and what you have tried, you'll probably get better responses.
I am currently working on a long term project that will need to support:
Lots of fast Read/Write operations via RESTful Services
An Analytics Engine continually reading and making sense of data
It is vital that the performance of the Analytics Engine not be affected by the volume of Reads/Writes coming from the API calls.
Because of that, I'm thinking that I may have to use a "front-end" database and some sort of "back-end" data warehouse. I would also need to have something like Elastic Search or Solr indexing the data stored in the data warehouse.
The Questions:
Is this a Recommended Setup? What would the alternative be?
If so...
I'm considering either Hive or Pig for the data-warehousing, and Elastic Search or Solr as a Search Engine. Which combination is known to work better together?
And finally...
I'm seriously considering Cassandra as the "fron-end" database. What is the relation between Cassandra and Hadoop, and when/why should they be put to work together instead of having just Cassandra?
Please note, my intention is NOT to start a debate about which of these is better, but to understand how can they be put to work better more efficiently. If it makes any difference, the main code is being written in Scala and Java.
I truly appreciate your help. I'm basically learning as I go and all comments will be very helpful.
Thank you.
First let's talk about Cassandra
This is a NoSQL database with eventual consistency which basically means for you that different nodes into a Cassandra cluster may have different 'snapshots' of data in the case that there is an inter cluster communication/availability problem. The data eventually will be consistent however.
Since you consider it as a 'frontend' database what you need to understand is how you will model your data. Cassandra can take advantage of indexes however you still need to defined upfront your access pattern.
Normally there is no relation between Cassandra and Hadoop (except that both are written in Java) however the Datastax distribution (enterprise version) has Hadoop support directly from Cassandra.
As a general workflow you will read/write most current data (let's say - last 24 hours) from your 'small' database that enough performance (Cassandra has excellent support for it) and you would move anything older than X (older than 24 hours) to a 'long term storage' such as Hadoop where you can run all sort of Map Reduce etc.
In regards to the text search it really depends what you need - Elastic Search is sort of competition to Solr and reverse. You can see yourself how they compare here http://solr-vs-elasticsearch.com/
As for your third question,
I think Cassandra is more like a database to save data.
Hadoop is responsible to provide a compution model to let you analyze your large data in
Cassandra.
So it is very helpful to combine Cassandra with Hadoop.
Also have other ways you can consider, such as combine with mongo and hadoop,
for mongo has support mongo-connector between hadoop and it's data.
Also if you have some search requirements , you can also use solr, directly generated index from mongo.
I have a data warehousing problem, needing to query over a large dataset. For the sake of this example lets say a typical state would have 30 million users with activity stats for each. Ideally I could buy a data warehousing tool (Vertica, Infobright, etc...) but that's not in the cards or the budget.
Right now I'm considering using Solr to query HBase. While I believe HBase could scale up to the needs, I worry about Solr. It's optimized as a search engine, i.e. the first pages of results return before the last and there's no support for something like a database cursor. Tests so far have shown that getting a large result set out of Solr have been slower than I would've liked. For instance comparing a query that would retrieve half of the available users (one which ultimately returned 500 mb of data) in the community version of Infobright finished in under a minute, for Solr it took 12 minutes.
Is there something other than Solr that's better suited to query this data? Are there any optimizations that would help with bulk data input and output?
I know this is a bit late but...
Depending on your search requirements Solr could be a good option. Keep in mind you most likely won't need to index everything in HBase. Are there certain fields you can pick out? Portions of text? You most certainly do NOT need to store this stuff in Solr if you're already storing it in HBase.
Solr is an excellent secondary index system to put on top of HBase, and Solr also has some great text analytics capabilities if that is what you need.
You should also take a look at ElasticSearch, one of Solr's primary competitors.
Take a look at SolBase and Lily - two implementation that combine Solr with HBase backend
Can I use a MapReduce framework to create an index and somehow add it to a distributed Solr?
I have a burst of information (logfiles and documents) that will be transported over the internet and stored in my datacenter (or Amazon). It needs to be parsed, indexed, and finally searchable by our replicated Solr installation.
Here is my proposed architecture:
Use a MapReduce framework (Cloudera, Hadoop, Nutch, even DryadLinq) to prepare those documents for indexing
Index those documents into a Lucene.NET / Lucene (java) compatible file format
Deploy that file to all my Solr instances
Activate that replicated index
If that above is possible, I need to choose a MapReduce framework. Since Cloudera is vendor supported and has a ton of patches not included in the Hadoop install, I think it may be worth looking at.
Once I choose the MatpReduce framework, I need to tokenize the documents (PDF, DOCx, DOC, OLE, etc...), index them, copy the index to my Solr instances, and somehow "activate" them so they are searchable in the running instance. I believe this methodolgy is better that submitting documents via the REST interface to Solr.
The reason I bring .NET into the picture is because we are mostly a .NET shop. The only Unix / Java we will have is Solr and have a front end that leverages the REST interface via Solrnet.
Based on your experience, how does
this architecture look? Do you see
any issues/problems? What advice can
you give?
What should I not do to lose faceting search? After reading the Nutch documentation, I believe it said that it does not do faceting, but I may not have enough background in this software to understand what it's saying.
Generally, you what you've described is almost exactly how Nutch works. Nutch is an crawling, indexing, index merging and query answering toolkit that's based on Hadoop core.
You shouldn't mix Cloudera, Hadoop, Nutch and Lucene. You'll most likely end up using all of them:
Nutch is the name of indexing / answering (like Solr) machinery.
Nutch itself runs using a Hadoop cluster (which heavily uses it's own distributed file system, HDFS)
Nutch uses Lucene format of indexes
Nutch includes a query answering frontend, which you can use, or you can attach a Solr frontend and use Lucene indexes from there.
Finally, Cloudera Hadoop Distribution (or CDH) is just a Hadoop distribution with several dozens of patches applied to it, to make it more stable and backport some useful features from development branches. Yeah, you'd most likely want to use it, unless you have a reason not to (for example, if you want a bleeding edge Hadoop 0.22 trunk).
Generally, if you're just looking into a ready-made crawling / search engine solution, then Nutch is a way to go. Nutch already includes a lot of plugins to parse and index various crazy types of documents, include MS Word documents, PDFs, etc, etc.
I personally don't see much point in using .NET technologies here, but if you feel comfortable with it, you can do front-ends in .NET. However, working with Unix technologies might feel fairly awkward for Windows-centric team, so if I'd managed such a project, I'd considered alternatives, especially if your task of crawling & indexing is limited (i.e. you don't want to crawl the whole internet for some purpose).
Have you looked at Lucandra https://github.com/tjake/Lucandra a Cassandra based back end for Lucense/Solr which you can use Hadoop to populate the Cassandra store with the index of your data.