I wanted to ask, if there may be a different and better approach than mine.
I have a model entity that can have an arbitrary amount of hyperparameters. Depending on the specific model I want to insert as row into the model table, I may have specific hyperparameters. I do not want to continuously add new columns to my model table for new hyperparameters that I encounter when trying out new models (+ I don't like having a lot of columns that are null for many rows). I also want to easily filter models on specific hyperparameter values, e.g. "select * from models where model.hyperparameter_x.value < 0.5". So, an n-to-n relationship to a hyperparameter table comes to mind. The issue is, that the datatype for hyperparameters can be different, so I cannot define a general value column on the relationship table, with a datatype, that's easily comparable across different models.
So my idea is, to define a json type "value" column in the relationship table to support different value datatypes (float, array, string, ...). What I don't like about that idea and what was legitimately critizised by colleagues is that this can result in chaos within the value column pretty fast, e.g. people inserting data with very different json structures for the same hyperparameters. To mitigate this issue, I would introduce a "json_regex_template" column in the hyperparameter table, so that on API level I can easily validate wheter the json for a value for hyperparameter x is correctly defined by the user. An additional "json_example" column in the hyperaparameter table would further help the user on the other side of the API make correct requests.
This solution would still not guarentee non-chaos on database request level (even though no User should directly insert data without using the API, so I don't think thats a very big deal). And the solution still feels a bit hacky. I would believe, that I'm not the first person with this problem and maybe there is a best practice to solve it?
Is my aversion against continuously adding columns reasonable? It's about probl. 3-5 new columns per month, may saturate at some point to a lower number, but thats speculative.
I'm aware of this post (Storing JSON in database vs. having a new column for each key), but it's pretty old, so my hope is that there may be new stuff I could use. The model-hyperparameter thing is of course just a small part of my full database model. Changing to a non-relational database is not an option.
Opinions are much appreciated
Imagine a web form with a set of check boxes (any or all of them can be selected). I chose to save them in a comma separated list of values stored in one column of the database table.
Now, I know that the correct solution would be to create a second table and properly normalize the database. It was quicker to implement the easy solution, and I wanted to have a proof-of-concept of that application quickly and without having to spend too much time on it.
I thought the saved time and simpler code was worth it in my situation, is this a defensible design choice, or should I have normalized it from the start?
Some more context, this is a small internal application that essentially replaces an Excel file that was stored on a shared folder. I'm also asking because I'm thinking about cleaning up the program and make it more maintainable. There are some things in there I'm not entirely happy with, one of them is the topic of this question.
In addition to violating First Normal Form because of the repeating group of values stored in a single column, comma-separated lists have a lot of other more practical problems:
Can’t ensure that each value is the right data type: no way to prevent 1,2,3,banana,5
Can’t use foreign key constraints to link values to a lookup table; no way to enforce referential integrity.
Can’t enforce uniqueness: no way to prevent 1,2,3,3,3,5
Can’t delete a value from the list without fetching the whole list.
Can't store a list longer than what fits in the string column.
Hard to search for all entities with a given value in the list; you have to use an inefficient table-scan. May have to resort to regular expressions, for example in MySQL:
idlist REGEXP '[[:<:]]2[[:>:]]' or in MySQL 8.0: idlist REGEXP '\\b2\\b'
Hard to count elements in the list, or do other aggregate queries.
Hard to join the values to the lookup table they reference.
Hard to fetch the list in sorted order.
Hard to choose a separator that is guaranteed not to appear in the values
To solve these problems, you have to write tons of application code, reinventing functionality that the RDBMS already provides much more efficiently.
Comma-separated lists are wrong enough that I made this the first chapter in my book: SQL Antipatterns, Volume 1: Avoiding the Pitfalls of Database Programming.
There are times when you need to employ denormalization, but as #OMG Ponies mentions, these are exception cases. Any non-relational “optimization” benefits one type of query at the expense of other uses of the data, so be sure you know which of your queries need to be treated so specially that they deserve denormalization.
"One reason was laziness".
This rings alarm bells. The only reason you should do something like this is that you know how to do it "the right way" but you have come to the conclusion that there is a tangible reason not to do it that way.
Having said this: if the data you are choosing to store this way is data that you will never need to query by, then there may be a case for storing it in the way you have chosen.
(Some users would dispute the statement in my previous paragraph, saying that "you can never know what requirements will be added in the future". These users are either misguided or stating a religious conviction. Sometimes it is advantageous to work to the requirements you have before you.)
There are numerous questions on SO asking:
how to get a count of specific values from the comma separated list
how to get records that have only the same 2/3/etc specific value from that comma separated list
Another problem with the comma separated list is ensuring the values are consistent - storing text means the possibility of typos...
These are all symptoms of denormalized data, and highlight why you should always model for normalized data. Denormalization can be a query optimization, to be applied when the need actually presents itself.
In general anything can be defensible if it meets the requirements of your project. This doesn't mean that people will agree with or want to defend your decision...
In general, storing data in this way is suboptimal (e.g. harder to do efficient queries) and may cause maintenance issues if you modify the items in your form. Perhaps you could have found a middle ground and used an integer representing a set of bit flags instead?
Yes, I would say that it really is that bad. It's a defensible choice, but that doesn't make it correct or good.
It breaks first normal form.
A second criticism is that putting raw input results directly into a database, without any validation or binding at all, leaves you open to SQL injection attacks.
What you're calling laziness and lack of SQL knowledge is the stuff that neophytes are made of. I'd recommend taking the time to do it properly and view it as an opportunity to learn.
Or leave it as it is and learn the painful lesson of a SQL injection attack.
I needed a multi-value column, it could be implemented as an xml field
It could be converted to a comma delimited as necessary
querying an XML list in sql server using Xquery.
By being an xml field, some of the concerns can be addressed.
With CSV: Can't ensure that each value is the right data type: no way to prevent 1,2,3,banana,5
With XML: values in a tag can be forced to be the correct type
With CSV: Can't use foreign key constraints to link values to a lookup table; no way to enforce referential integrity.
With XML: still an issue
With CSV: Can't enforce uniqueness: no way to prevent 1,2,3,3,3,5
With XML: still an issue
With CSV: Can't delete a value from the list without fetching the whole list.
With XML: single items can be removed
With CSV: Hard to search for all entities with a given value in the list; you have to use an inefficient table-scan.
With XML: xml field can be indexed
With CSV: Hard to count elements in the list, or do other aggregate queries.**
With XML: not particularly hard
With CSV: Hard to join the values to the lookup table they reference.**
With XML: not particularly hard
With CSV: Hard to fetch the list in sorted order.
With XML: not particularly hard
With CSV: Storing integers as strings takes about twice as much space as storing binary integers.
With XML: storage is even worse than a csv
With CSV: Plus a lot of comma characters.
With XML: tags are used instead of commas
In short, using XML gets around some of the issues with delimited list AND can be converted to a delimited list as needed
Yes, it is that bad. My view is that if you don't like using relational databases then look for an alternative that suits you better, there are lots of interesting "NOSQL" projects out there with some really advanced features.
Well I've been using a key/value pair tab separated list in a NTEXT column in SQL Server for more than 4 years now and it works. You do lose the flexibility of making queries but on the other hand, if you have a library that persists/derpersists the key value pair then it's not a that bad idea.
I would probably take the middle ground: make each field in the CSV into a separate column in the database, but not worry much about normalization (at least for now). At some point, normalization might become interesting, but with all the data shoved into a single column you're gaining virtually no benefit from using a database at all. You need to separate the data into logical fields/columns/whatever you want to call them before you can manipulate it meaningfully at all.
If you have a fixed number of boolean fields, you could use a INT(1) NOT NULL (or BIT NOT NULL if it exists) or CHAR (0) (nullable) for each. You could also use a SET (I forget the exact syntax).
I am looking for a good solution to represent a 2-D array in a database. With a few catches of course. For instance, the array could grow in terms of columns and rows (which could be inserted at any point). Also important is that people (users) can manipulate specific cells in this array (and hopefully without having to update the entire array). Also there may be multiple arrays to store.
I have thought about using a json but that would require always writing the entire json to database when an update is made on a a specific cell which would not be idea especially when multiple people could manipulate the array at once.
The typical data structure would be three columns:
row
column
value
Of course, you might have other columns if you have a separate array for each user (say a userid or arrayid column). Or, you might have multiple values for each cell.
I need to find a relatively robust method of storing variable types data in a single column of a database table. The data may represent a single value or multiple values and may any of a long list of characters (too long to enumerate easily). I'm wondering what approaches might work in this process. I'd toyed with the ideas of adding some form of separator, but I'm worried that any simple separator or combination might occur naturally in the data. I'd also like to avoid XML or snippets since in fact the data could be XML. Arguably I could encode the XML, but that still seems fragile.
I realize this is naturally a bit of an opinion question, but I lack the mojo to make it community.
Edit for Clarification:
Background for the problem: the column will hold data that is then used to make a evaluation based on another column. Functionally it's the test criteria for a decision engine. Other columns hold the evaluation's nature and the source of the value to test. The data doesn't need to be searchable.
Does the data need to be searchable? If not, slap it in a varbinary(MAX) and have a field to assist in deserialization.
Incidentally, though; using the right XML API, there should be no trouble storing XML inside an XML node.
But my guess is there has to be a better way to do this... it seems... ugh!
JSON format, though I agree with djacobson, your question is like asking for the best way to saw a 2x4 in half with a teaspoon.
EDIT: The order in which data are stored in the JSON string is irrelevant; each datum is stored as a key-value pair.
There's not a "good" way to do this. There is a reason that data types exist in SQL.
The only conceivable way I can think of to make it close is to make your column a lookup column, which refers to a GUID or ID in another table, which itself has additional columns indicating which table and row have your data.
I have a need to store a number of ad-hoc figures and constants for calculation.
These numbers change periodically but they are different type of values. One might be a balance, a money amount, another might be an interest rate, and yet another might be a ratio of some kind.
These numbers are then used in a calculation that involve other more structured figures.
I'm not certain what the best way to store these in a relational DB is - that's the choice of storage for the app.
One way, I've done before, is to create a very generic table that stores the values as text. I might store the data type along with it but the consumer knows what type it is so, in situations I didn't even need to store the data type. This kind of works fine but I am not very fond of the solution.
Should I break down each of the numbers into specific categories and create tables that way? For example, create Rates table, and Balances table, etc.?
Yes, you should definitely structure your database accordingly. Having a generic table holding text values is not a great solution, and it also adds overhead when using those values in programs that may pull that data for some calculations.
Keeping each of the tables and values separated allows you to do things like adding dates and statuses to your values (perhaps some are active while others aren't?) and also allows you to keep an accurate history (what if i want to see a particular rate from last year?). It also makes things easier for those who come behind you to sift through your data.
I suggest reading this article on database normalization.