Which library to use for WPF?
Infragistics
ComponentOne
SyncFusions
ActiProSoftware
Telerik
#Reed - None of the Syncfusion WPF controls were ported from Windows Forms. With the grid control, most vendors use a simple ItemsControl based architecture. We have a much more elaborate infrastructure for highly optimized cell oriented rendering. This was implemented to achieve performance as close to Windows Forms performance as possible. The effort on our end to deliver this solution when contrasted with a pure ItemsControl based approach was at least 5x. We have a lot of customers using our Windows Forms controls in real-time scenarios and we wanted to give them the ability to move over to WPF without losing on the performance front. Our key controls offer excellent rendering performance even with millions of data points in direct contrast to solutions that are based on a simple ItemsControl based approach. Our controls often have a steeper adoption curve than others but in the long term we do believe that they are easier to maintain and update. Just my two cents:) Also, we are really keen to work with you on any issues that you are running into. Please let us know. My email is danielj(at)syncfusion.com.
#Tom - If you can send us feedback on the gauge we would greatly appreciate it. We are always looking for ways to improve and your feedback will be really useful.
Ultimately it depends on what you need. I think Syncfusion offers the widest and most actively deployed control suite on the WPF front. Disclaimer - I work for Syncfusion.
I work for a large firm which has long-term license agreement with Syncfusion so I had to use their products for years in pain.
I agree with Reed for Syncfusion's model. They converted their Winforms model (which has major bugs) to look it like WPF, I believe the whole suite is nothing to do with WPF, most of their controls cannot be controlled in XAML, you need to use code behind in order to style even simple things.
They are actually improving this to look more like WPF however with Syncfusion one issue is when you upgrade to a new version, it always breaks previous version based code. It is their marketing strategy and you spend weeks to figure out the new system.
One other issue with Syncfusion is they have quite poor documentation, their support is very weak, so you need to discover things on your own.
I used Telerik WPF in one project which is a much better choice, the performance is much better and the model is really easy to maintain.
We just started to buy DevExpress due to the pain of Syncfusion over years and I believe this is quite good WPF product. It is easy to use, they have really good support and nice documentation. The controls look very professional. First time I feel like I am using actual commercial .NET toolset.
*I do not work for DevExpress or Telerik.
They all have advantages and disadvantages.
Personally, I've found Telerik and Infragistics seemed more like they were designed specifically with WPF in mind.
Syncfusion's offering is more of a port of their Windows Forms product, so the design is more like they're other product lines.
That being said, each product you listed is good - and each have their own feature set. There is no substitute for trying a demo and seeing how you like working with the products in question.
I'm a fan of Component One, mainly based on personal taste.
ActiProSoftware have some good controls, but I find that they don't expose enough properties to make it easy to style and customize, though you can get around this with implicit styles.
Xceed have my favourite Grid control, lots of cool features and easy to work with.
I don't particularly like Telerik and I've never tried SyncFusion.
I would love to try Infragistics as that is one that I haven't tried, but have been really impressed with the demos. Does anyone have any comments on the architecture of Infragistics?
Like Reed said, they all have their advantages and disadvantages, but from my experiences I would recommend Component One.
HTH
None of the above, just use WPF Toolkit for DataGrid and VisualStateManager. It is not that hard to style the controls in WPF/Blend, plus it makes YOU more proficient and your code leaner.
P.S. Though, you might still use third-party reporting, since there no built in support for reporting in WPF.
If you are looking for a WPF Control Library there is the WpfDynamicUI Library.
It is an open source control building the user interface for the DataContext you provide.
It supports Charting, DataGrid, Map, Filtering, Paging, Nesting views and more...
Can be an alternative for building Line Of Business application.
PS: I am the coordinator of WpfDynamicUI
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I am planning to learn XAML. I wanted to know if I should first learn about WPF and then start XAML?
Please advice.
It depends on what your future plans are with XAML/WPF. If you want to get up and running and use it as quick as possible you might consider starting with XAML and WPF at the same time (but note that you can't learn or use WPF just be learning about XAML).
If you plan to work with XAML/WPF for a long time and you will have a lot of WPF projects ahead you probably should consider starting with "pure" WPF.
I belong to the latter camp and it helped me a lot to first get to know the WPF object model, rendering and layout system and then start with XAML, styles, templates etc. For me it made thinks easier to understand (and there is a lot to understand). I understood that XAML is just another way to represent/serialize a .NET object graph that is built as a layer on top.
This is also the way Charles Petzold's book is structured and I think it is the perfect book to start with when you want to get to know WPF really well.
Its not a good question but WPF applications are is built on XAML. I started learning from WPFTUTORIAL
You will find that you will are likely to learn both at the same time. That said, XAML is a designed to be a mark-up language and is used for several technologies, e.g. WPF and WCF et. al.
As #bitbonk mentions, several books on the subject first give you an introduction to WPF (Dependency Objects, Visual Tree and Logical Tree, Controls, etc) before showing any XAML markup.
Whatever you do make sure that your first 2 or 3 applications are throw away apps (not production code). I have seen way too many developers code themselves into a hole when learning to code with WPF. I would recommend studying the MVVM pattern as well. This is critical to building stable WPF applications.
Here are some blog posts I have written that may be of some assistance.
http://tsells.wordpress.com/category/mvvm/
My company is starting a major greenfield development project using DevExpress WPF controls. I just read this critical review of their WPF controls:
[…] DevExpress developers completely misunderstood WPF when they developed their WPF controls. I really cannot impress upon you sufficiently well just how much of a displeasure it is using their controls. I feel absolutely terrible (almost guilty) about talking about a vendor with such negativity, but they have made a serious mistake in their WPF suite, it has been a singular source of the most abject frustration for me in about a decade of developing software.
Do you agree that DevExpress does not understand the WPF paradigm and will cause our developers grief during development and maintenance? Can you suggest an alternate vendor of WPF controls? I'm looking for a vendor with WPF controls that will enhance our application while fitting well with the WPF API, binding and MVVM.
The link (above) to the critical blog post is broken. The original author has stated:
I wrote the original article, and have decided to work with DevExpress in a private capacity after speaking with them so I have regrettably decided to remove the post. Regards, Ira
Abject frustration is EXACTLY what I experienced thanks to DevExpress. I lost hours of my life attempting to simply bind a combo box. The drop-down list at best would only display my ItemsSource class name multiple times. I even posted a StackOverflow question to figure out what I could possibly be doing wrong. Finally on a whim I tried removing this one line of xaml:
devx:ThemeManager.ThemeName="DeepBlue"
Suddenly my problem went away. It was caused by the Developer Express wpf theme DeepBlue. Discovering the problem was a tremendous relief. My company will now be using Telerik WPF controls. My colleagues are quite happy with DevExpress Asp.Net controls. It is only the WPF suite we are avoiding.
I would like to clarify our opinion on usage of our controls in applications built based on the MVVM pattern. At the moment, we are working on a series of examples which should clarify how our controls can be used under different popular MVVM based frameworks (like Prism, MVVM Light and so on). There are a couple of problems in our WPF controls regarding the MVVM pattern and we are trying to eliminate them. However, generally there are no showstoppers that can prevent a developer from using our controls in a MVVM application. Hopefully, our examples, posted on the DevExpress Web Site will convince you in this.
I do not agree completely with the assertion that DevX developers missed the mark on WPF. However, I will say that it appears they may have had a steep learning curve to overcome. Lets face it, WPF is massive. To master it, even out of the box, is a daunting task. I do agree that DevEx controls will not fit into a MVVM pattern, but they do sit quite nicely in a MVP pattern. "Can you suggest an alternate vendor of WPF controls?" No, but I will suggest that you study additional patterns if you are stuck with DevEx.
I have used Syncfusion, Ingragistics, Telerik as well as various smaller libraries and DevExpress is my platform of choice. I find them to be not only super supportive of WPF and MVVM but their tech support has been phenomenal. I actually was mid project in a multi-million dollar project using Syncfusion WPF and found so many bugs in the library that my customer was close to pulling the plug. I switched mid stream to DevEx and they save my bacon. Their controls always seem the most up to date and incorporating the latest trends. I wish they did more Xamarin stuff and some of the other things that Syncfusion does but I would rather have less stuff that actually works than a wide array of stuff that doesn't.
Well we are considering to move from WinForms to WPF, what pitfalls does WPF have? And we got component one's flexgrid is there any wpf grid that has the same functions? one nice thing with it is that you can implement your own draw method for the cells... It can merge cells print and save to many file formats..
In general, WPF development is very different from WinForms. You should expect it will take some time to learn the new technology (or you might even need to hire new developers =)).
WPF approach is in many ways better than WinForms' one: check out styles and triggers, data binding, control templating, eventing model.
I would recommend you to start exploring it, but wait for the WPF 4 (and the boring MSDN page) to start the actual migration, because it is going to be even better and close some of the very annoying gaps.
First of all, WPF works pretty different from Windows Forms and likely requires a different approach on how to structure and design the application. At least it works way better if you do it the way it was conceived.
As for single Windows Forms controls, this shouldn't be a problem. There is a WindowsFormsHost which enables you to include Windows Forms controls in WPF.
The change from winforms to WPF is not a change I'd reccommend unless you have specific requirements which WPF fulfills - WPF is not intended to be a replacement, simply an alternative which is more suited towards graphically rich applications.
If you do have a specific requirement then you also might want to consider embedding WPF controls into winforms applications, rather than converting your entire application.
The learning curve is slow to get going, but once you get the idea it all starts to make sense. We have "Pro WPF in C# 2008" book floating round the office and its been a great help. Of course most things get googled to find an answer, but to find out why something is done the way it is this book was a great hope - to me anyway.
There are some annoying features but its still WPF is still quite new. Like most things, if you come across a problem someone has likely come across it before and there is an answer out there!!
J
Take a look here for a datagrid: http://wpf.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=29117
The main hurdle with WPF is simply the huge amount of new stuff to learn (if you wish to use it properly). I'd think twice if you're on a tight schedule, but it might be worth it if you have 6 months to spare...
Speaking from just my experience, moving from Windows Forms to WPF took some re-learning. A few months into the transition most changes made total sense. WPF removes much of the frustration associated with using Windows Forms. It allows for a truly rich UI development experience especially when working in tandem with designers. I strongly recommend WPF Illustrated by Daniel Solis as a learning aid.
With reference to the grid, Syncfusion offers a WPF grid control that implements the features you have asked for. It implements true virtual mode with cell level customization, printing and export to multiple formats including Excel. Disclaimer - I work for Syncfusion.
I need to prepare a presentation about what's WPF, my audiences are mostly project managers and system analyzers . I intend to show them most important features of WPF like DataBinding . Can you suggest me a list of features which you think will be interesting for my audiences . and also does anybody know any website where I can find presentations about introducing WPF ?
thanks
In my opinion the killer features for WPF are (in no particular order):
Strict separation of UI layout, style and functionality
Templates
Styles
Data Binding
The combination of those features enables really fun ways of crafting application UI. Such as this example of a list box with templates and data binding or a slightly different TreeView visualization. Especially the ItemsControl is way overrepresented which just demonstrates its versatility :-)
Other answers already mentioned the technical advantages. Since your target group consists of managers, you might want to throw in a few non-technical points:
WPF is the new "Microsoft standard" for developing rich client applications in .net.
You won't need costly migration to another technology anytime soon and
there's quite a large user base out there (for example, here on Stackoverflow), so your developers won't be "left alone" when facing technical problems.
WPF has useful features for designing user interfaces:
It allows the user interface design to be separated from coding (UI designers can use Expression Blend).
It's very easy to do eye candy that impresses customers during presentations of your products. (Yes, this is important for the sales people.)
(Well, the Visual Studio Designer support is not so great yet, but I've heard that this improves drastically in VS 2010.)
Have you surfed through MSDN? A good place to start: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms754130.aspx
Here's a question and its duplicate with compelling reasons to use WPF - these reasons can easily be mapped to the most important features since they represent the advantages of using WPF compared to other options (mainly WinForms).
Note: DataBinding is not one of the most important features of WPF in my opinion! you can easily do that with WinForms.
WPF supports XAML the declarative language which encourages a separation of front-end appearance and back-end logic.
One challenge with Silverlight controls is that when properties are bound to code, they're no longer really editable in Blend. For example, if you've got a ListView that's populated from a data feed, there are no elements visible when you edit the control in Blend.
I've heard that the MVVM pattern, originated by the WPF development community, can also help with keeping Silverlight controls "blendable". I'm still wrapping my head around it, but here are some explanations:
http://www.nikhilk.net/Silverlight-ViewModel-Pattern.aspx
http://mark-dot-net.blogspot.com/2008/11/model-view-view-model-mvvm-in.html
http://www.ryankeeter.com/silverlight/silverlight-mvvm-pt-1-hello-world-style/
http://jonas.follesoe.no/YouCardRevisitedImplementingTheViewModelPattern.aspx
One potential downside is that the pattern requires additional classes, although not necessarily more code (as shown by the second link above). Thoughts?
I definitely think you should use the MVVM pattern for Silverlight applications - and one of the benefits of the pattern is that you can actually make your application really blendable through some simple techniques. I often refer to "blendability" as "design for designability" - that you use certain techniques to make sure your application looks great in Blend.
One of the techniques - like Torbjørn points out - is to use a dependency injection framework and supply different implementations of your external services depending on wether the code is being executed in Blend or in the Browser. So I configure my container to use a dummy data provider when the code is executing in Blend, and that way you get design time support for your list boxes, data grids etc.
The challenge is often how to set the DataContext declaratively - so I often end up using a service locator class a a "front end" to the IoC container. That way I can bind the data context to a property on the service locator.
Another technique is create some kind of ObjectDataSource control (non visual) that has two properties: Design Time DataContext and RunTime Data Context. The control does the job of detecting where is being executing, and then setting the Parent DataContext to the right object.
I'm not sure if I can answer your question, but I have foudn the article below very valuable. Jonas Follesø is using ninject to switch out his services when in design/blend mode. Very nice!
http://jonas.follesoe.no/YouCardRevisitedImplementingDependencyInjectionInSilverlight.aspx
I also agree with Jonas regarding MVVM with Silverlight. I do believe that MVP is also a good choice, but recently I have had time to try both MVP and MVVM with Silverlight and I am much happier with the results from MVVM. (Yep, I changed my mind the more I used MVVM). The VM abstracts the binding of the Model from the View (obviously) in MVVM which allows for more binding scenarios (at least cleaner ways to do them) than with MVP. That's just one aspect, though.
I'll be posting some examples of both MVP and MVVM with Silverlight on my site.
I've tried a few options and I'm settling on MVVM as the best choice for me. Blendability is an important point, and I also find the VM aspect intuitive for rigging up dynamic behaviors and procedural effects and animations (like Nikhil's Silverlight.FX). At one point I tried to avoid Blend altogether through fluent interfaces but am finding the coupling between UI and behavior too painful in the long-run. I want to design my UI in Blend and then add effects and other behaviors in code, this is proving to be the best pattern for me to follow so far.
I think many of us are waiting for the trailblazers to go ahead and create really good sample apps using MVVM in Silverlight (and WPF for that matter). There are a number of tricky areas such as the lack of ICommand in Silverlight, or the difficulty of interacting with animations starting and stopping only using data binding.
Its definitely a pattern to watch for the future though, and is worth trying out if you don't mind 'cheating' occasionally in the places where you can't quite figure it out.
I love the ViewModel pattern and highly recommend it. I have a couple of "getting started with ViewModel" types of posts on my blog.
ViewModel Pattern
HelloWorld.ViewModel
Binding Converts - VisibilityConverter
Silverlight Airlines with a ViewModel
I agree with Jonas. MVVM seems to be the model that works best for me (though John Papa thinks MVP makes more sense). I have an MSDN Article on this coming out in March that hopefully will answer the call for a good example.
BTW, I would like to see some cohesion in the MVVM Framework department. There isn't a good solution for a framework to follow yet. I like Jonas' (I think Jonas' is the FX Framework) but since its not WPF compatible it might not be the right choice for some.
I've been using MVVM lately on a couple of different Silverlight projects and it's been working really well, I would definitely recommend it. Jonas's post is a great place to start, I've recently blogged on my MVVM experiences too and created a really simple solution to demo the main touch points.
There's a very good Techdays 2010 video introduction to the MVVM pattern, clearly explained:
TechDays 2010: Understanding the Model-View-ViewModel pattern
Hanselminutes podcast by Laurent
For more complicated applications that require a higher degree of automated testing it definitely makes sense, and the move away from DependencyProperties to DataContext binding is a lot neater than it's ASP.NET counterpart.
The biggest challenge I've found with Silverlight is testing the actual UI (there's one commercial framework so far I think), and the huge tangle of event calls you get into when using WCF services (or the WebClient for that matter) with Silverlight.
I've always thought MVVM and PresntationModel http://martinfowler.com/eaaDev/PresentationModel.html are essentially the same thing. PresentationModel is a lot easier to say.
I've used it succesfully in java swing, windows forms, WPF and silverlight. If you think in terms of separation of concerns a Presentation Model makes a lot of sense. You have one class whose only concern is providing a Presentation friendly Model.It really doesn't matter what technology is used to show it on the screen. It might change some implementation details but splitting the concerns apart is a good idea no matter how you show the information.
Because of that separation you can easily write tests against your presentation model regardless of the view technology. So that's a plus.
With the Feb 2009 release of Prism v2 by P&P, even better support for MVVM now available for Silverlight and WPF. See microsoft.com/compositewpf for more details.
Take a look at my article about MVVM and Silverlight in real life projects and decide for yourself.
http://alexburtsev.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/mvvm-pattern-in-silverlight-and-wpf/